Posted on 08/20/2011 1:53:21 PM PDT by wagglebee
I cant count the amount of times Ive been asked what my stance is on contraception. Its not breaking news that many oral contraceptives and some invasive barrier methods (IUD) have been proven to cause abortion, including the highly controversial ella and Plan B drugs, and I stand firmly against the use of anything that destroys a life created at conception. But what about contraception that prevents conception from taking place?
Im not the only one who has gotten this question; people want to know how the pro-life movement as a whole feels about this.
In fact, the medical students we reach out to face this question on a daily basis.
This question is a hard one to answer, which is why many avoid it: What is the pro-life movements stance on contraception, including methods that prevent conception?
As a physician, what is the right decision to make when a woman asks for birth control? What if she is living below the poverty line, has 3 or 4 children, hasn’t obtained a high-school diploma, and is co-habiting with a man who needs to support her financially? Presumably, shes aware of the possibility of pregnancy and could be afraid of how she will feed and clothe another child.
What do you say? Whats the pragmatic response here?
Heres how I think that conversation should be started:
1) Birth Control, no matter what form, doesn’t prevent abortions. In fact, it provides a false sense of security.
The Guttmacher Institute, Planned Parenthood’s own research arm, released study showing that condoms fail 14% of the time. Thats enough to provide some concern, especially when coupled with the Guttmacher’s own numbers showing that over half of all abortions are on women who were using some method of birth control. This is a cry in the face of pro-abortion propaganda claiming that if women had better access to birth control, abortions would become unnecessary.
Well, clearly not.
Contraception gives women a false sense of security, and condoms and birth control clearly cant be relied on as a fail-proof method of stopping a pregnancy from occurring.
2) Birth control comes with it’s own complications and risks. It some cases, it’s deadly for both the child and mother.
Aside from condoms, oral and invasive methods of birth control come with their own complications. In addition to blood clots and strokes, chemical contraceptives have been proven to end the life of a preborn human mere hours or days after conception by thinning the uterine lining and making implantation more difficult for the developing person. Invasive methods that are implanted into your upper arm or uterus come with the same set of risks to both the mother and child. The most common form of hormonal contraception, the pill, has been categorized by the World Health Organization as a Group I carcinogen. Thats the highest possible ranking; cigarettes are also Group I.
One only has to read the inserts that come with chemical contraception, listen to commercials for hormonal birth control that spew out a long list of side effects, or glance at Facebook ads calling for women who took Yaz birth control pills to contact a law firm to join the lawsuit (google Yaz and lawsuit!) to grasp the unbelievable amount of life-altering consequences of imbibing hormonal birth control.
3) Condoms and birth control are everywhere. You can obtain them for free, yet the abortion and STD rate hasn’t fallen.
Planned Parenthood and county health departments have been giving out free condoms and birth control for years. Yet, the unplanned pregnancy, abortion, and STD rate in America has failed to fall and, in the case of STDs, has significantly increased. Despite this evidence, the Obama Administration just issued a new ruling forcing all health insurance plans to cover birth control with no deductible.
What’s even more scary is that Planned Parenthood knows this. They actually rely on the failure of the contraception they provide to increase their abortion profits.
4) Finally, and most importantly, birth control – in any form – is a Band-Aid.
It seems like the best way to answer the question regarding the pro-life stance on contraception is to emphasize helping women as a whole instead of handing out a temporary fix.
Dolling out free condoms isnt social justice. Handing over a pack of pills to an uneducated mother living in poverty with a man who doesn’t respect her enough to marry her isn’t restoring proper relationships in her life. At the end of the day, what have you accomplished? Youve just acknowledged her tragic situation by implying, “I don’t know how to help you”, or, “I don’t have time to help you, but here, use these and hope for the best.”
Protecting women from the scarring trauma of abortion and repairing broken relationships in her life seem to be the best way the pro-life movement can restore true social justice – Christian justice – to this woman’s life.
These are my thoughts on how we can make a real impact, but the pro-life movement needs to come together and agree on one answer to this question. Unity will only help us protect more women and the pre-born from the injustice of abortion.
Let me count the ways.
Post #394 "Its online. Google....There is no debate here. No amount of evidence would ever convince you. You refuse to even do the least bit of looking."
Post #379 "Since what I said was absolutely correct - and theres proof of that easily available online - I feel no embarrassment at all. Again, google. Its easy...Wow, the length you libs will go to to avoid using google is amazing."
Post #353 "They could easily find the info with a google search. They wont do it. I see no reason to help them."
Post #346 "No, actually honest people can just post the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Some people will refuse to see the truth even when it is just a few clicks away on google....Then you have truly failed because I didnt lie. Again, google.
Post #337 "Nope. I can back up everything I said. I am just choosing not to do so."
Post #327 " I see no reason to aid you in your laziness. I also have no reason to believe you would even bother to read anything posted."
Post #332 "I do not need to be proved right because I already know I am right. ...I already know what I said is true. It is you who needs to shake off your laziness and do something."
Post #297 "If you want proof of what I said, look for it."
Post #286 ". Because you were too lazy to do anything for yourself, I refused to do it for you. Calling you a lib was merely correct labelling and had nothing to do with what you asked."
And so it goes.
I guess you have not seen in your life children who were abused physically and emotionally by their parents.
I have numerous times.
Some people should not procreate.
Vlad doesn’t call names either. He uses labels. Then he hits the abuse button. No coward there, the paragon of moral rectitude he.
That’s how it works in the Religion Forum. I don’t go there. I like my debate open and honest.
“So, you let Satans attacks on the Church drive you to spiritual suicide.
I hate it when he wins another soul.”
It was a Bishop.Not Satan, although maybe the priesthood is infested with people who are influenced by Satan. We certainly have seen the news reports about pedophile priests.
This Bishop even visited with my family at my house.
He got rewarded for his actions by going to work at the Vatican. The Pope called him back.
Oooooh yeah, I learned that lesson real quick myself!
Fortunately the Mod was very nice and explained where I was and that it was different than the open forum. I left the thread. Now I look before I post.
Lucky me. I never knew. How do I avoid wandering into a RF post by mistake?
It will say that its’ a “religion” post in the http addy at the top. But just to be sure, check “Topics” above the first post, with the “Keywords”.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/0000000/posts
Thanks. Sorry, but I am dying laughing at learning that Vlad here is an abuse button crack adict. I will not make jokes about self-abuse on a birth control forum. I will not make jokes... I will not...
LOL....oh my, now you have really done it.
Neither have I. I’m so glad that we’re both happy! :-) >>
I’m glad you’re happy.
If one practices birth control unfortunately they are practicing abortion as the egg is fertilized, it becomes a human being which is prevented from growing in the uterus. What a shame.
“Kaila has a long history of opposing the pro-life movement. I don’t give a damn what she thinks.”
What is my long history? I am usually on the anti illegal alien threads.
I opposed the extraordinary care of one case (a terminally ill infant) on about 2 threads, which even the Pope has said himself that extraordinary care is not necessary.
From the Catholic Resource center:Third, we believe that each person is bound to use ordinary means of caring for personal health. Here one would think of basic care, which obviously includes proper nourishment and hydration food and water and ordinary medial care common medical treatments. Ordinary means would be those which offer reasonable hope of benefit and are not unduly burdensome to either the patient or the family.
A person may, but is not bound to, use extraordinary means those means which primarily are not considered ordinary care or common medical treatments. These means do not offer reasonable hope of benefit and may be excessively burdensome to either the patient or the family.
May, but is not bound to.That is the essential statement.
So my line of thought is no different than the Catholic Church. A ventilator for a terminally ill patient is extraordinary care. You may now say- “he is not on a ventilator, you were wrong!. However, you are not there in the room. You do not know what is now going on. So stop bringing it up that I am anti life. It gets real old.I have saved more lives in my lifetime than you ever will.
Do note that this is basic common-sense belief that is shared by many of us who do not support the right to murder babies — what is your opinion on abortion?
Maybe but we can certainly think it! :-)
That's an out and out lie. Not all contraceptives are abortifacients. You do yourself no good by making such a sweepingly false statement.
I will not respond to you again.
I was asked this:
“Post statistics backing your assertion with a link.”
I refused to post stats. I told people to look it up online. I never changed that stance.
The reasoning for this is as pointed out -- the moral acceptance of contraception has changed the morals of society:
None of us say that you or others who say "ok contraception" are further along on this path, but we point out how society as a whole has morally decayed by the moral acceptance of contraception.
You wrote:
“Let me count the ways.”
None of the ways you cite are a claim of a cite from me. I made no cite of stats EVER. You’re just making things up out of thin air.
Post #394 “Its online. Google....There is no debate here. No amount of evidence would ever convince you. You refuse to even do the least bit of looking.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #379 “Since what I said was absolutely correct - and theres proof of that easily available online - I feel no embarrassment at all. Again, google. Its easy...Wow, the length you libs will go to to avoid using google is amazing.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #353 “They could easily find the info with a google search. They wont do it. I see no reason to help them.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #346 “No, actually honest people can just post the truth and let the chips fall where they may. Some people will refuse to see the truth even when it is just a few clicks away on google....Then you have truly failed because I didnt lie. Again, google.
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #337 “Nope. I can back up everything I said. I am just choosing not to do so.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #327 “ I see no reason to aid you in your laziness. I also have no reason to believe you would even bother to read anything posted.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #332 “I do not need to be proved right because I already know I am right. ...I already know what I said is true. It is you who needs to shake off your laziness and do something.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #297 “If you want proof of what I said, look for it.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
Post #286 “. Because you were too lazy to do anything for yourself, I refused to do it for you. Calling you a lib was merely correct labelling and had nothing to do with what you asked.”
NO CITE. I was right all along.
“And so it goes.”
Since you apparently don’t know what the word cite means here is some help for you:
“a: an act of quoting; especially: the citing of a previously settled case at law “
Granted, you wanted a citation to something other than a legal case. I made no citation whatsoever in regard to anything you wanted. And that’s the way it will continue.
You seem to be getting desperate. Why else would you lie like that?
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