[Rooivalk]

Let me take your post point by point:
Firstly, I didn't forget about China's need for overseas oil, just as I didn't forget about our need for overseas oil. Their Navy might not have to go toe to toe with us, but has offensive capabilities that might surprise us... better subs, anti-carrier missiles, EMP weapons as well as software/electronic warfare.

Someone has been selling you some bad information if you believe that China has better equipment than America. Regarding submarines, the Chinese do not have a submarine that even matches our older Los Angeles class. And we now are building the Virgina Class and have a few examples of the Seawolf class. These American subs are the best in the world. The Russians knew it and the Chinese know it now.

Regarding this so called "anti carrier missile" the Chinese claim to have I believe you are referring to their DF-21D. This missile has never been tested. The Russians tried to build an anti carrier missile, the SN-X-13 and couldn't make it work. There is no evidence that the Chinese will be any more successful

Do not forget a Nimitz class carrier can make 30 plus knots upon warning of a missile coming its way. A Chinese land based missile would have to travel a long way just to get to the LAST KNOWN location of the carrier. And the American carrier would be long gone by that time. Do not forget the Chinese missile does not have time to loiter looking for the carrier. It is a ballistic missile.

I could give other reasons but the best thing to tell you is don't believe the hype. Until China solves some very complex problems this missile of theirs will be just that...hype.

Let them test this missile of theirs before we start shaking in our boots

[Dick Vomer]

I'm sorry , you're right . I read what I wrote and it came out wrong. what I meant to say was that they may have better equipment than we think they have, not that they have better equipment than we have. However if you look at what they are willing to do to improve and what we're doing as far as cutbacks on expenditures in order to pay off social security fake disability checks to porch monkeys.....well there you have it. Pay for crucifixes in urine or R&D. Boondoggle to pay off unions or retirement for military, etc....

Yeah, I know their subs are sh#t compared to ours, but gee-whiz one just happened to pop up right in the middle of an aircraft carriers group during one of our military maneuvers. .

The subs, missiles and even people will have or might have the only advantage of being numerically superior. In other words like the Germans had Tiger tanks, but our Shermans or better yet the crappy Russian tanks just flat out outnumbered them and overwhelmed them. Similar to the suicide frontal assaults of the Japanese.

Now the other point isn't that I think China or anybody would "win", but just how much would we lose in order to fight a military war.

You seem to understand what I'm talking about so my point is that of Clausewitz..... by the time military actions start, the state of war has existed and the outcome should not be questionable. War is just an extension of the political.

As far as missiles, all it takes is one "lucky" one to put the hurt on us. Look at how the press and everybody carried on about casualties during Bush's term..... they of course never mention them with our current TOFUS... but how do you think mom and pop would react to something as tragic and accidental and as "unlucky" as CLICK ON THIS...

If it were a Republican president when this happened, my gawd... we'd have to offer the human sacrifice of a Christian Republican politician in order to satisfy the quislings we have in the democrat party.

I think we've been probed and tested. Our logistics and temperament in conflicts near and far show that, we fight... but maybe not so much.