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Ron Paul or certified RINOs, whom would you prefer? (vanity)

Posted on 08/13/2011 1:26:27 PM PDT by JimWayne

After yesterday's spurt in talk radio about Ron Paul, I've been thinking about his positions. I oppose Ron Paul on Foreign Policy (especially his position ignoring the threat of Islam taking over our policy), but have to seriously wonder about supporting some of the other candidates who have not faced opposition.

Ron Paul gets a lot of flak, but why do the others get away with cheating us for doing far worse than what Ron Paul promises to do to Israel? Many candidates like Rick Santorum, George Allen and Joe Barton have hijacked the label of conservative, but are less conservative than even Ron Paul. They support raising debt to infinite levels, deficit funding, support for Islamic regimes like Pakistan, nationalized healthcare (they did not oppose Romneycare), have wishy-washy positions on abortion, and say one thing during the elections while ganging up with the liberals right after the elections.

The second thought in my mind is about Israel. Why are we so obsessed about Israel when the Jewish people seem to vote for the RATs? I think Islam is more dangerous and if we pull the aid from both Palestine and Israel, Israel will win, but this is a situation I don't really feel strongly about. There are much bigger problems at home and my wealth is depleting not merely due to Obama and other Dims, but the RINOs and neocons who have ganged up with the liberals over the years.

These RINOs do not support us but expect our support unconditionally. They even opposed the TEA Party candidates but suddenly claim that they themselves are part of the TEA Party.

So my question to you is why should we give a free pass to the RINOs? Shouldn't we hold them to the same standards we hold Ron Paul to? I can already hear that Ron Paul is a kook, but that is not the question. The question is whether others like Santorum and George Allen aren't worse than being a kook and why should we support them? The other question is why Israel is so important that my savings should be used for them. Shouldn't they take care of themselves?


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: boobyhatch; kooks; liberaltarian; nuts; paul2012; rino; ronpaul; vanity
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To: JimWayne

He wants to legalize hardcore drugs like heroine, cocaine, etc, as well as prostitution. Oh, and the FBI, CIA, NSA...GONE.

He talks a good talk on other issues, but havent we got enough problems in this country related to immorality?


21 posted on 08/13/2011 1:41:36 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: JimWayne

In reality, Ronpaul is a Libertarian.

Paul is a RINO!


22 posted on 08/13/2011 1:41:52 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You are missing the point. This is not about Ron Paul, but about others who are WORSE than Ron Paul. I used Ron Paul merely to show how bad some of the others are (i.e., even worse than Ron Paul). Rick Santorum is a RINO who is worse than Ron Paul. He will support terrorism, has supported Global Warming policies and supported Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey. Anyone who supports Rick Santorum is a fool.


23 posted on 08/13/2011 1:41:59 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Thank you for that information. His image screams “politician,” I did NOT care for his anti-Tenth Amendment rant at all. I previously had not heard enough about him to make an informed decision, but any information like this is helpful. Thanks again.


24 posted on 08/13/2011 1:42:39 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JimWayne

Ron Paul should not even be on the stage at these debates. He just takes time away from people worth listening to. And he is an embarrassment to the cause and the party.


25 posted on 08/13/2011 1:42:39 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Conservative Republican who wants to win)
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To: JimWayne

Herman Cain still has a possible future in politics, he is new, this race could have meaning for him.

Paul was never able to win anything out of his safe district and that became clear many years ago, nonetheless, the guy still rakes in the millions for his perennial campaigner lifestyle.


26 posted on 08/13/2011 1:42:53 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Bristol Palin's book "Not Afraid Of Life: My Journey So Far" became a New York Times, best seller.)
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To: Reaganez

I like Rick Perry/Jim McMahon


27 posted on 08/13/2011 1:43:30 PM PDT by Krankor (I pushed my soul in a deep dark hole and then I followed it in.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I often wonder why people obsess about the 2 billion we send to Israel (which is essentially just a subsidy to our weapons industry), but they're silent on the staggering amount of aid we provide to the rest of the world.

I oppose all aid and mentioned that if the government pulled the plug on Palestine as well, Israel will win. To answer your question on why the aid to Israel generates more focus, it is probably because the Jewish people vote the Democrats into power.

28 posted on 08/13/2011 1:44:22 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: Owl_Eagle
"Yet people keep bringing up Israel... kinda makes you wonder what the obsession is."

Um... yeah.

29 posted on 08/13/2011 1:45:24 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: RecoveringPaulisto

“He tells his supporters that the only reason he has an R next to his name is because it’s easier to win that way. He’ll tell you to run with a D next to your name if you think that is more likely to lead to victory.”

There is no difference between the two parties, so ina sense he is correct. Conservatives need to understand that Republican does not equal conservative, or we’ll keep getting the RINO’s, who aren’t really RINO’s at all, but just the average Republican.


30 posted on 08/13/2011 1:45:46 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JimWayne

Mitt Romeny, Rick Perry, Tim Pawlenty, Ron Paul, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, John Huntsman, and Newt Gingrich. This field is a cruel joke.

None of these clowns have any clue about how serious a job being the next POTUS is going to be. They are just a bunch ambitious politicians who want the prestige of being the President. They have no clue or plan for this country.

Serious work has to be done and these people don’t have it in them. They will inherit three wars, a massive debt that can’t be repaid, high unemployment, huge racial tension flash mobs ,a nation that is either on the verge or already has collapsed. This is no time for substandard leadership.

The only one I could consider right now is Herman Cain, and the best I can do is consider him at this point.

If this field is the best America has to offer, then we are done for. Democrats, RINO’s and Compassionate Conservatives are not an option. I might as well put a gun to my head now and spare myself of the agony that is about to come if 0bama gets reelected or one of these morons becomes President.


31 posted on 08/13/2011 1:45:57 PM PDT by GR_Jr.
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To: Charles Henrickson
Ron Paul should not even be on the stage at these debates. He just takes time away from people worth listening to. And he is an embarrassment to the cause and the party.

Agreed, but my question is about some of the others who are RINOs. We should not tolerate RINOs like Santorum. If you look at his record, he is worse than Ron Paul.

32 posted on 08/13/2011 1:45:57 PM PDT by JimWayne
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To: JimWayne

He’s a certified wacko RINO. I tired of RINOs and I’m tired of settling. We need someone with a brass set who won’t cave or be bathing in kool-aid 5 seconds after the swearing in.


33 posted on 08/13/2011 1:45:58 PM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

He reminded me of:

http://images.tvrage.com/cguide/118/6871.jpg

How does one post images here?


34 posted on 08/13/2011 1:48:19 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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To: JLS
Ron Paul = Certified RINO so what is the question. Heck I think if you asked Paul he might well say he is not a Republican.

Why would you think that? Does it have anything to do with the fact he ran for POTUS as a Libertarian several years ago?

35 posted on 08/13/2011 1:48:32 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: JimWayne
Santorum. If you look at his record, he is worse than Ron Paul.

I disagree. Whatever else you might say about Santorum (or one of the other candidates), he would not endanger America's security like Looney Tunes Paul would.

36 posted on 08/13/2011 1:49:22 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Conservative Republican who wants to win)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I’m no fan of Santorum, either; anybody who gets plastered the way did by a dope like Casey should write “the end” to his political career.But where did I miss his opposition to home schooling, as I believe he , or his wife, homeschooled their own? As a matter of fact they billed the government for some”cyber school,” as I recall, and the opposition research went into overdrive on it.


37 posted on 08/13/2011 1:49:54 PM PDT by gusopol3
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To: JimWayne

Ron Paul voters on the Right are what Obama voters are on the left; blind fools who would buy any hucksters pitch.


38 posted on 08/13/2011 1:50:16 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: gusopol3

Santorum lost his final race because his kids went to a private school in Virginia.


39 posted on 08/13/2011 1:51:18 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: JimWayne
I agree with Libertarians economically but not politically. It's amazing how Paul can be generally so good on economic issues and go off the deep end in foreign policy by expressly and implicitly blaming America for 9/11 and not acknowledging it as an act of war needing full force response. He also fails to acknowledge the Jihadist threat as also needing full alert and response both internally and externally.

Whether we've implemented the best means of dealing with these attacks and threats is another issue. But Paul's arbitrary blindfolded foreign policy has completely marginalized him as a viable candidate IMO. I guess if I had to choose between Paul or a RINO - tough choice - at least with Paul you know what you're getting. I also think Paul has most of the right answers to fix the economy (given some kind of Congressional cooperation).

40 posted on 08/13/2011 1:52:10 PM PDT by PapaNew
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