Posted on 08/11/2011 9:08:27 AM PDT by McGruff
With a new poll showing that 32 percent of Democrats are eager for President Obama to be challenged by somebody in his own party, is it time for a Democrat to get into the 2012 primary?
Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders said yes recently, though history frowns on challengers. Just ask the late Edward M. Kennedy who failed to knock off Jimmy Carter in 1980 as the former president faced economic troubles and bad polls similar to what Obama is up against.
Pew was out with a poll analysis yesterday that said "32% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say they would like other Democrats to take on Obama for the nomination, while 59% say they would not."
Pew said that Obama is actually in a better situation than Bill Clinton was before his re-election. "Far fewer Democrats want to see Obama challenged for the nomination than supported a primary challenge to Bill Clinton in December 1994. At that time, 66% of Democrats and Democratic leaners wanted to see Clinton challenged, shortly after the GOP won control of Congress for the first time in 40 years."
But who would that challenger be and could they win?
John Kerry, who served in Viet Nam BTW, loses again.
You mean “the Cambodian Kid” don’t you ?
I would like to think that rational people would, having lived through four years of Democrat policies, never vote for anyone who even hinted that they might be a Democrat.
IIRC, it was Bobby Kennedy who took LBJ out...until LBJ had him killed.
....lawn jockey......
....errr, is that racist??
“IIRC, it was Bobby Kennedy who took LBJ out...until LBJ had him killed.”
I’m really hoping you were joking, but since it happened over 40 years ago, and since you really may not remember correctly, and there may be younger readers on the forum:
1. It was Eugene McCarthy who took LBJ out.
2. It was Sirhan Sirhan who killed Bobby Kennedy on the anniversary of the six-day war because of Kennedy’s support for Israel including a promise to replenish thier arsenal with 50 Phantom fighter jets if elected.
Not to be to picky here, but my recollection was that RFK's strong showing in the primaries was what led LBJ to not seek the nomination for president. It was LBJ who put his influence behind Humphrey who won the nomination and ran against Nixon in 1968. McCarthy lost the nomination after he cried at some event.
If she challenges Obama she’d lose because she’d anger a lot of blacks.
Her only hope would be for Obama to step aside for __fill_in_the_blank___reasons and to endorse Hillary on his way out the door.
Hillary=Cersei Lannister
And he'd be a hell of a campaigner for the witch.
And just think of the sympathy votes she'd get when he dropped dead, possibly of exhaustion, near the end of her campaign...
Well....that's a lose/win for all of us. Lose because she'd get any votes at all....and win because little billy clintoon heading off to his next "out of this world" destination surely reduces spend (no need for retirement salary or secret service coverage).
Very good. We win either way.
But the point is to make sure Obama suffers an internal challenge.
If I were to vote in this poll, I’d vote for the candidate who has been in Vietnam.
If I were to vote in this poll, I’d vote for the candidate who has been in Vietnam.
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Is that Jane Fonda?
I’m thinking Bill’s intern...
The same Hillary (named after Sir Edmund)that survived a corkscrew landing & dodged sniper bullets in Bosnia?
Nope, it was McCarthy. Kennedy sat out for months, while McCarthy organized and worked his tail off until he shocked Johnson with a near-win in the first primary. Kennedy then jumped in, infuriating McCarthy and his campaign people, and the two battled it out trading primary victories until Sirhan shot Kennedy.In those days, state party apparatus (and unions) controlled more delegates than there were to be won in primary elections, and Humphrey mined that source for enough delegates to winthe nomination. LBJ only belatedly and not very enthusiastically endorsed Humphrey. I believe LBJ held out hope for a deadlocked convention where he would be asked to be the nominee until the very last and it became apparent NOBODY in his party wanted him anymore.
As for the crying, that was Sen, Edmund Muskie of Maine, I think in ‘72.
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