Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

England Used to Be a Country of Men (Something has changed in the English character)
National Review ^ | 08/11/2011 | Frank Miniter

Posted on 08/11/2011 8:16:39 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

With London succumbing to looters and muggers, it’s time to ask what happened to the once-manly English people. The August 9 issue of the Daily Mail, for example, includes a photo of a young man taking off his pants on the street as an impatient looter waits with the emasculated Briton’s sneakers and shirt already in his hands. Luckily the feeble Englishman chooses boxers over briefs, but I can’t help wondering if men such as T. E. Lawrence, Winston Churchill, or Lord Acton could have stomached the state of manliness in this generation of Englishmen.

Consider that this latest explosion of looting, robbing, and burning began in Tottenham, a dicey corner of north London, after police shot and killed a 29-year-old Tottenham resident named Mark Duggan. As typically happens, two competing personality profiles of Duggan are being told, depending on the politics of the teller; some say Duggan was a hardened drug dealer, others say he was a beloved family man. What we do know is that police pulled over a taxi in which Duggan was a passenger. Police say they heard a gun fired, which prompted them to shoot and kill Duggan.

The facts of this incident may be in dispute, but the unmanly actions of Tottenham’s gangster youth are not. In retaliation for Duggan’s death (or using it as an excuse for mayhem), they’ve burned autos, looted stores, and mugged people along Tottenham’s High Road and around parts of London. This reaction says something horrific about the culture in these neighborhoods, just as much as the 1992 Los Angeles Riots displayed that all wasn’t right with the culture in the poorer neighborhoods of Los Angeles.

For context, consider the “Tottenham Outrage” of 1909. Two men in Tottenham, armed with semi-automatic handguns, attempted to rob a payroll truck, but the guards resisted. After one robber fired his gun, police came running. The robbers fled on foot. The chase lasted two hours and covered about six miles as other officers and armed civilians pursued and engaged the robbers. One of the thieves committed suicide and the other later died in surgery. One officer and one civilian also were killed. The bravery of the officers and civilians prompted the creation of the Kings Police Medal and the funeral processions for the slain officer the civilian passed through streets lined with mournful Londoners. Those weren’t the kind of people who demonize police officers or take off their pants for thieves.

Well, okay, sure, the English people did for too long accept the unmanly ditherings of Neville Chamberlain before World War II. Nevertheless, something has changed in the English character. These aren’t the proud men who once made the whole world look them in the eyes. I submit that one of the chief causes of their now emasculated spirit is the loss of so much of their individual liberty — like a child used to a parent fighting his or her battles, a people dependent on their government for everything cannot take care of themselves and are prone to childish outbursts.

By giving up their natural right to self-defense, for example, England’s law-abiding citizens have become defenseless both physically and psychologically. The loss of their right to self-preservation has created a culture of dependency on government (for protection and so much more) that has helped neuter the English male. This has also prompted some English citizens to blame the police for the crime rates that law enforcement is legally constrained from doing anything practical to fight.

Britain’s licensing of gun owners and the registration of their firearms made it easy for the government to take guns from law-abiding citizens after a mass-murderer in Hungerford killed 16 people in 1987. Within the next decade, British politicians criminalized possession of most handguns — the final deadline for turning them in was Feb. 27, 1998. (This is something liberals would like to do in the U.S., too.) Yet, few have subsequently pointed to the victims of this anti-freedom gun confiscation. The English papers haven’t interviewed victims of rape and other crimes and asked what they might have done if they had the ability to defend themselves from criminals.

Curbing violence, naturally, was the goal English politicians said they’d attain in return for law-abiding citizens’ handing over this basic human liberty; however, after the U.K. disarmed its population, England attained the highest burglary rate and one of the highest rates for violent crimes of the industrialized nations, according to the International Crime Victims Survey carried out by the Dutch Ministry of Justice in 2000. As the Guardian put it on Feb. 23, 2001, the study “shows England and Wales as the top of the world league with Australia as the countries where you are most likely to become a victim of crime.” More recently, on July 3, 2009, England’s newspaper the Daily Mail reported that “Britain’s violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European Union, it has been revealed. Official crime figures show the U.K. also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa.”

Meanwhile, British politicians have reacted to the irrefutable failure of their gun-control schemes by calling for more of the same. They’ve even recently banned starter pistols. Given that they’ve disarmed the law-abiding public and obviously can’t disarm the criminals, what else can they do in this time of violence? What some in the government would like to do can be chillingly found in a July 2002 English government “white paper” titled “Justice for All.” This paper argued that the government needs to: allow the use of hearsay evidence in trials; remove the double-jeopardy rule for serious cases, including cases that have already been resolved under the current system; and eliminate the right to trial by jury in many cases.

As the English hand their government more of their individual liberty — and thereby their self-reliant manliness — their government becomes more authoritarian. Individuals have diminished means for protecting themselves and their property, which should have made London’s looting, vandalism, and other crimes very predictable.

I’ve had several recent conversations with Englishmen, who have led me to conclude that the English people will continue to hand over their liberty in the hopes that one day — despite all the lessons from history and human nature — their government will create the peaceful, socialist utopia they’ve long been promised.

For example, I recently broached this topic with an English salesman at my favorite shoe company, Johnston & Murphy. He commented that he’s frightened by America’s “gun culture” and added that Americans needs to drop “their Wild West attitude.” I listened patiently before pointing out that England currently looks a little more like the Wild West. He wasn’t swayed. I pointed out that gun rights are women’s rights, as they make the frailest woman the equal of the strongest male. He kept shaking his head.

So I used a largely forgotten piece of history that always makes Englishmen blush: After Dunkirk in May of 1940, only the British Navy, an outnumbered British air corps, and about 20 miles of water protected the English people from German invasion. In their retreat back to England, the British forces lost much of their firearms and weaponry; meanwhile, gun-control laws passed after World War I had mostly disarmed British civilians, leaving the English people helpless.

Aware of their plight, a group of Americans, headed by C. Suydam Cutting, established the “American Committee for Defense of British Homes,” a group that ran an ad in the National Rifle Association’s official journal American Rifleman that read in part: “Send a Gun to Defend a British Home.” The NRA subsequently sent more than 7,000 private arms to England. The U.S. military, of course, sent many more. Winston Churchill said, “We had become a hornet’s nest. Anyhow, if we had to go down fighting . . . a lot of our men and women had weapons in their hands.”

After relating this history, I told the English shoe salesman that “if your people ever need to protect their freedom again, Americans will be there for you.” He wasn’t so sure.

Now I wonder, after seeing that Englishmen strip for a looter, would it even matter? Meanwhile, the only way we’d be able to help them — and the world — is if we keep our manly liberties intact here in the U.S., a prospect far from certain.

— Frank Miniter is the author of The Ultimate Man’s Survival Guide, and, more recently, Saving the Bill of Rights.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: character; england; riots
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-78 last
To: x

I saw a young lean young man in my clinic today. He came in for follow up after being seen in the ER yesterday with a dislocated shoulder. He wanted a note to go back to work. No pain meds no time off he wanted to work. I asked him what happened. He got into a fight. He said he sent to hit the guy and missed and dislocated his shoulder. But, he said he connected with the first 2 punches. I asked he if he got in trouble. He said “Yeah, but it was worth it”. I asked him what he meant. He said the other guy was 20 years old and messing around with his 14 year of sister. I asked him what he did to his sister. He grinned and said that was his Father’s problem. I thought he is not like the naked English guy I saw in that picture.


61 posted on 08/11/2011 5:14:29 PM PDT by therut
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: the scotsman
It would seem to explain their reluctance to use water cannon or rubber bullets.

Ed Smith, 31, who lives close to Clarence Road, said: "I can't believe what I'm seeing. These people have no respect for human life." Hannah Howlett, 19, said: "Hackney is a place with high unemployment, these people are obviously bored. But I don't think there's much the police can do to stop it. If the police were really to crack down they'd be sued under human rights laws, and these people know it. They know the police can't touch them." In Dalston, with little protection from the police, dozens of Turkish men took matters into their own hands and chased away youths from their restaurants and businesses in Kingsland Road.

62 posted on 08/11/2011 6:08:54 PM PDT by Madame Dufarge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: Bubba Ho-Tep
From my selfish point of view, the best part of this was that the next day the liquor store next door was the only place you could buy beer.

LOL. Sweet!

63 posted on 08/12/2011 12:49:44 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: RavenATB
Yes, we have. And who are many of these men? Immigrants.

That might be because the only people living in the violent areas are immigrants.

64 posted on 08/12/2011 3:54:28 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: Psalm 144
Unfortunately for your pro-republican theory, the mindset of "subjects" was prior to, during the establishment of, and the heyday of the Empire.

It was only when we decided everyone was equal that things started to go downhill.

65 posted on 08/12/2011 3:56:33 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind

I think the male gene pool in Britain has effeminated. (prob. not a word, but I don’t care) There is a reason our ancestors left.


66 posted on 08/12/2011 4:02:38 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Hey algore...You'll have to pry the steering wheel of my 317 HP V8 truck from my cold dead hands)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vanders9

It was only when we decided everyone was equal that things started to go downhill.

********************

Actually it all started to go downhill when you imported German rustics as your superiors, and enlisted your colonies to fight your wars.

Sort of like Rome being governed by Syrians and defended by Teutons. Thus Rome became Italy, in time. There is hope in that, should England ever acquire cuisine and a sense of style.

Carry on.


67 posted on 08/12/2011 5:33:56 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: the scotsman

Not deemed self defense? Well, if you’re happy with the result of Mr. Martin’s case, and feel that it was blown out of proportion, and that is the majority opinion in GB, then you can see how it doesn’t play well here among the savages with a frontier mentality.

I wonder if the virtual ban on firearms can embolden hooligans. Perhaps because of this growing perception, in America we seem to be going the other direction. More and more states are passing laws to permit citizens arms for self-defence.

After all, God made men—but Samuel Colt made them equal.

I read somewhere that in parts of GB, (notably Scotland?) that some folks have taken to wearing swords again. Is that true?

I suppose if you feel a need for an equalizer and more modern weaponry isn’t available, a sword as a personal defence weapon is preferable to nothing.


68 posted on 08/12/2011 7:07:39 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Vanders9
“That might be because the only people living in the violent areas are immigrants.”

It might be. I'm not sure what the population density of immigrants is in any of these areas. But I have yet to see stories of a home-grown Brit man (who wasn't a cop) standing out there to defend lives and property. There were numerous riots across the country in the last week. Something tells me that had we the ability to “peek” behind the doors of those brown-stone homes we would have seen many Brit “males” huddled in their closets, crouched over a puddle of piss.

69 posted on 08/12/2011 7:42:33 AM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: wildbill

1—No I am many British were not happy with the Tony Martin verdict. We knew he was legally guilty given the perameters of the law, but there was and is great sympathy for him. Even the appeal judges halved his sentence, even if they couldnt legally overturn it.

2—Martin shot a man in the back who was running away. That meant the law couldnt include it as legitimate self defence.

3-No, Scots arent wearing swords.


70 posted on 08/12/2011 8:24:48 AM PDT by the scotsman (I)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: RavenATB

Well, that’s unproveable supposition. The majority of the rioting occured in city Centres - commercial zones - and they are pretty much uninhabited after daylight.


71 posted on 08/12/2011 10:27:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 69 | View Replies]

To: Psalm 144
Actually it all started to go downhill when you imported German rustics as your superiors

The house of Hanover, which was descended from the ancient royal line of England anyway, is hardly rustic. But even if that is so, why is being "rustic" (whatever that means) an insult? Do you think country dwellers don't match up to the heady intellectual superiority of city dwellers? I'm sure all of your countrymen from deepest Arkansas and the wilds of Colorado deeply appreciate that sentiment. It never ceases to amaze me how incredibly snobbish many Americans can be, given that they all take it as read that all men are made equal.

... and enlisted your colonies to fight your wars.

Recruiting colonies? What are you talking about? Colonies were part and parcel of the Empire and their inhabitants were as much British as someone from Kent or Kirkcuddy. Most wars were fought over and for colonies anyway.

Sort of like Rome being governed by Syrians and defended by Teutons. Thus Rome became Italy, in time. There is hope in that, should England ever acquire cuisine and a sense of style.

How incredibly boorish, pandering to every two bit stereotype.

Carry on.

You forgot to get in the meme about dentistry...

72 posted on 08/12/2011 10:38:20 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 67 | View Replies]

To: SeekAndFind
(Something has changed in the English character)

It's called Liberalism.

73 posted on 08/12/2011 10:42:57 AM PDT by kevao
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Vanders9

“You forgot to get in the meme about dentistry...”

That has no relevance when the subject is toothless.


74 posted on 08/12/2011 10:51:23 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 72 | View Replies]

To: Vanders9

Yes...and if you read the stories about the “perps” that have been in the news for the last couple days you find a list of Brit citizens, many of whom are upper middle class and/or white.


75 posted on 08/12/2011 2:03:37 PM PDT by RavenATB ("Destroy the family and you destroy the country!" ~Vladimir Lenin)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 71 | View Replies]

To: the scotsman

I just googled about knife and sword crimes in Scotland and came up with some amazing stuff, probably what I had seen on the internet before.

Here is a government publication about a new law:

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2005/06/27110147/01543

Apparently the government has proposed a law to further regulate knives and swords because they are involved in half of the murders in Scotland each year and the murder rate is fourth in the EU.

Here is an excerpt of the Minister of Justice’s remarks.

5.” Similarly, while many might think that swords are part of a by-gone age, their threat remains very real in Scotland today. Advice from the police suggests that the concealability, portability and availability of samurai swords in particular, make them the weapon of choice for growing numbers of young men with criminal intentions. That view is supported by the increasing number of well reported court cases involving samurai and ornamental swords.”

Wow, weapons of choice for growing numbers of young men. You guys are tough.


76 posted on 08/12/2011 5:54:14 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 70 | View Replies]

To: Psalm 144

LOL...ok...touche


77 posted on 08/15/2011 5:15:11 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 74 | View Replies]

To: RavenATB

In it for “kicks” I suppose. Pitiful. Still, if they are not taught it is wrong, and/or not punished when they do it, then expect more of the same.


78 posted on 08/15/2011 5:17:35 AM PDT by Vanders9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 75 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-78 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson