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Antiquated rifle being phased out
Times of India ^ | 9 Aug 2011 | Prashant Dayal

Posted on 08/10/2011 8:44:30 PM PDT by smokingfrog

AHMEDABAD: The city police has begun phasing out the antiquated.303 rifle, often compared to the Lee Enfield guns used in World War-I, as part of its comprehensive anti-terror plan. In its place, the police will only be armed with much lighter automatic weapons like carbines, AK-47s and INSAS rifles.

City police commissioner Sudhir Sinha has also decided to deploy four commandos trained in antiterror tactics in all the police control room (PCR) vans. The city police had deployed 28 PCR vans after the July 26, 2008 serial bomb blasts. These vans used to have only 3 constables, including the driver and two constables with .303 rifles. The .303 rifles will be phased out gradually. This is a part of the lessons learnt from 26/11 when Mumbai police found itself suddenly fighting the LeT fidayeens with .303 rifles.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 303british; banglist; mumbai; smle
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1 posted on 08/10/2011 8:44:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

They can sell them to the London Police, which would upgrade said police’s ability to actually DO something 2000-fold.


2 posted on 08/10/2011 8:47:33 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: smokingfrog

Nothing wrong with the SMLE and with a bayonet it is a better riot control weapon than an AK. And an AK-47 is hardly a spring chicken.


3 posted on 08/10/2011 8:48:47 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: smokingfrog

If the Mumbai police had possessed some decent training and marksmanship, they COULD have taken down the baddies at the train station with aimed fire from their old antiques.

I read the eyewitness accounts, they cowered behind cover or ran away. They didn’t even try to shoot.

More up-to-date bang-bangs had better be accompanied by proper training or the only result will be higher civilian casualties due to spray-and-pray bullet hosing.


4 posted on 08/10/2011 8:50:00 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: smokingfrog

According to the MSM, those .303’s are deadly assault rifles, why upgrade?


5 posted on 08/10/2011 8:51:25 PM PDT by Doomonyou (Let them eat Lead.)
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To: sinanju
If the Mumbai police had possessed some decent training and marksmanship, they COULD have taken down the baddies at the train station with aimed fire from their old antiques.

I remember the day that happened discussing the Mad Minute drill the Royal Army used to do. It required 15 hits onto a 12" round target at 200 yd within one minute with an SMLE. And every Tommy could do it. And a few well aimed shots from a .303 will do a lot more good than a spray of 9mm from an SMG if the bad-guy had body armor, as some of the Mubai terrorists did.
6 posted on 08/10/2011 8:54:49 PM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: smokingfrog
" police will only be armed with much lighter automatic weapons like carbines, AK-47s and INSAS rifles."

It's just a shorter club if they are not given any ammunition.

7 posted on 08/10/2011 8:55:25 PM PDT by Deaf Smith
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To: freedumb2003

No chit!


8 posted on 08/10/2011 9:01:35 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog
Interesting thought. At least to me.

American hand gunners seem to all want big, bigger, biggest in their hand guns and some want big and bigger in their rifles. Military and police seem to have settled on 9mm (.354) for their handguns and 5.66mm (.223) in their rifles. I really am surprised that ANY militia or police still have a .303 in every day use except for very special uses.

9 posted on 08/10/2011 9:02:39 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: smokingfrog

I guess “Rule .303” will no longer apply. “Breaker” is sad.


10 posted on 08/10/2011 9:03:05 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: smokingfrog

I still remember the recoil from firing .303 rifle. It was huge!


11 posted on 08/10/2011 9:07:54 PM PDT by repub4ever1 (Capitalism is not perfect, but it beats all other systems hands down.)
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To: Doomonyou
Actually, I think they're AK-47s:


12 posted on 08/10/2011 9:10:26 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Tupelo

With the Indians, I think it’s more of a money/budget issue.


13 posted on 08/10/2011 9:10:58 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open ( <o> ---)
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To: GonzoGOP
I remember the day that happened discussing the Mad Minute drill the Royal Army used to do. It required 15 hits onto a 12" round target at 200 yd within one minute with an SMLE

Record Mad Minute set in 1914 by Sergeant Instructor Snoxall: 38 hits on a 12" target in a minute - and he did it at 300 yards

14 posted on 08/10/2011 9:18:19 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Serious question: Did Sergeant Instructor Snoxall survive WW I?

Regards,

TS

15 posted on 08/10/2011 9:29:04 PM PDT by The Shrew (www.wintersoldier.com; www.tstrs.com; The Truth Shall Set You Free!)
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To: smokingfrog

I have quite a collection and I honestly can say my MKIV .303 is right up there in my favorites. It shoots straight, smooth, and is just a natural shooter. I gave $75 for it and it looks and shoots like new. I wish they would make them available to American shooters, but I bet they cut them up.


16 posted on 08/10/2011 9:50:20 PM PDT by chuckles
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To: smokingfrog
My father used to tell me he preferred his .357 revolver to an automatic because he could hit what he aimed at every time. He was of the firm opinion that knowing how to use your weapon and being able to stay calm were more important then being able to spray bullets. Staying calm would reflect training. I have never been in a situation to find out if he was right for which I am grateful to God. I do think police in most places need more training whether here or in India.
17 posted on 08/10/2011 10:03:21 PM PDT by dog breath
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He is not listed in the war death registry. His service and pension records are available for a fee so I did not look at those. Based on the the free death registry, however, it appears that he did survive. The previous record holder was cable of 37 in 60 seconds. Scores in the 30s were common. This record was found in a 1922 publication by the school so it appears valid.


18 posted on 08/10/2011 10:23:13 PM PDT by jimnm
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To: chuckles

I used to think the British .303 rifle was a butt-ugly rifle until I realized the practicality of its rugged and clever design. In some ways the best bolt-action battle rifle ever made. It is the only rifle that I know of where a headspace problem caused by a stretched receiver can be corrected in seconds by screwing a longer bolt head to the turn bolt. The Mauser cannot do that. The only fault I find with Enfields is the painful curved butt stock; it should have been flat like the Mauser’s.


19 posted on 08/10/2011 10:41:29 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Oztrich Boy

Simo Hayha laughs at your paper targets...

20 posted on 08/10/2011 10:42:54 PM PDT by stormer
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