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Anger and Silence after the Tank Deal
Sueddeutsche Zeitung ^ | 4/7/11 | Daniel Broessler

Posted on 08/05/2011 9:03:54 AM PDT by Red6

The Federal government stands by reports on the sale of German tanks to Saudi Arabia in the criticism. The Kingdom had already 44 Leopard 2 tanks from Germany bought, was reported by the news agency Reuters on Monday citing Saudi Arabian safety circuits.

Total purchase the kingdom acquire 200 tanks in the federal republic. The value of the business has been estimated at several billion euros. In german industrial community, however, expressed doubts as to whether it is actually already come to the sale. The Leopard 2 tanks will be built by Krauss-Maffei Wegmann and Rheinmetall. The opposition reacted Indignantly on the reports. The opposition reacted Indignantly on the reports. The Green party announced that the alleged delivery still in this week in the Bundestag in an urgent matter for the language to bring to want. The Export violations "flagrant" against the German

Rustungsexportrichtlinien we received, said Claudia Roth. Saudi Arabia disregards democracy and human rights, support the terrorism and have helped the recent protests in Bahrain Putdown.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Germany; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: germany; leopard2; saudiarabia
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The Germans have become the sales people wanting to profiteer and make deals where ever and with whomever they can: Saddams Iraq, Iran, Kaddafi....... Of course they will argue that the US also does trade with some of these nations, but the question is where is the German commitment and contribution to any form of security matter in these regions here they want to do their business?

Where were they in 1991 in the Iraq war? In the inner war years 1991 - 2003 with the containment of Iraq which also ultimately led to the rise of the anti West/US push by AQ and other organizations (Because of a prcense of US forces in Saudi Arabia), did the Germans actually give foreign aid to the regime in Saudi Arabia to stabilize them many year past? Nope, all they will do is sell their tanks, generators, airplanes etc. while "others" pay the security costs involved. Better yet, they will consider themselves as intellectually, culturally and ethically superior for not having done anything!

For those nations involved in dealing with the worlds security issues out there is a dear price to pay that comes in three forms.

Economic: As nations pull out from doing trade with certain nations, i.e. Cuba, Iran, Saddams Iraq, others see opportunity to make a quick Euro. Likewise those that see themselves on the opposing side of Western/Judeo Christian interests also refrain from doing business with the ones taking action, as evidenced by Venezuela selling the US low quality crude. Of course there are other aspects as well, such as countfeiting of currency which Iran actually pays a lot of their imports with. This has reached such large proportions that in the mid-90s there were nearly as many counterfeit US dollars in the Middle East as real ones.

Political: Any military involvement involves risk and ultimately if direct action is taken will entail collateral damage as well as self-sacrifice. The opposition both nationally and internationally will exploit this and the politician will take a black eye may his name be Bush, Reagan, Tony Blair, Thatcher, etc.

Security/blood: Those that take action become the target of those that see themselves in opposition to the West or Judea-Christian values. Those that slither on the side lines not only are able to profiteer and minimize defense costs, they also become a lower tier target for the enemy, may that be some communist group in the Cold War or Islamist based group today.

The Germans with their 1.3% GDP on defense are outside of their minimum NATO contribution level of 2.0%. They do as little from as far way as possible but they sure are willing to suck on the teat of this global and free world market as well as profiteer from these adversarial scenarios as between the US-Iran, Saddam Iraq-US. That ladies and gentlemen deserves them the title as "schmarotzer staat" (Moocher nation), no matter how they try to rationalize their inaction through some form of schadenfreude or bestow some intellectual, cultural or ethical superiority to their "do nothing but profiteer" approach.

The German position is really a contradiction no matter if you're on the left or right. If you're on the right and say such deals are OK because we need to back this relatively pro-western kingdom and et then it should follow that the Germans should do more in Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya or elsewhere. If the argument is that these nations are vile and we should support such regimes then this deal is all together wrong as well. No matter how one views it, somewhere in the logic there is a fundamental inconsistency in the German foreign national security policy to these nations and in face of these threats. Basically, it's inconsistent on thereby untruthful from either a political conservative (right) or liberal (left) point of view. The only thing it is consistent with is that they have in reality no principal at play and are simply chasing money in their decision making.

I would not be surprised if the Germans would come in and cut deals as soon as someone appears victorious in Libya, regardless which side appears to win.

1 posted on 08/05/2011 9:04:00 AM PDT by Red6
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Not sure why they would want to be buying tanks at this point in time. A few Predator's could decimate those tanks in short order if they wanted to.
2 posted on 08/05/2011 9:06:16 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: Red6

Considering the decline of our manufacturing base, we might need to buy tanks from them in the future....


3 posted on 08/05/2011 9:14:51 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: econjack

http://www.apostropheabuse.com/


4 posted on 08/05/2011 9:15:25 AM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: econjack

Saudi Arabia is our ally against the Shiites in Iran.


5 posted on 08/05/2011 9:15:45 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Peter from Rutland

Saudi Arabia keeps their enemies even closer.


6 posted on 08/05/2011 9:16:51 AM PDT by dfwgator
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The House of Saud is well aware that without us they would be intercoursed skyward. Take a look at the map and note the choke points in the gulfs around Arabia. Then look at the countries next to them.


7 posted on 08/05/2011 9:22:21 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland
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To: Don W

Good grief! I hope the oil companies aren't in charge of the spelling or grammar used on this sign. The question is: How many grammar and spelling mistakes are there?

8 posted on 08/05/2011 9:25:55 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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I believe Inconvenius was one of the later Roman emperors.


9 posted on 08/05/2011 9:28:08 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Still, they are not our friends.


10 posted on 08/05/2011 9:29:40 AM PDT by dfwgator
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I believe Inconvenius was one of the later Roman emperors.

Are you sure? I thought it was the owner of the gas station.

11 posted on 08/05/2011 9:29:47 AM PDT by econjack (Some people are dumber than soup.)
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To: Red6

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIhMC2dXLFE&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJBTCWeX8LM&feature=player_embedded

The House of Saud sent their Leopard 2 tank group into Bahrain where they supposedly used them against civilian protesters.

Considering that those Leopard 2 tanks are worthless against Iran, the only logic behind the Saud’s purchase is to use it against domestic uprisings.

That seems like a direct violation of Germany’s military armament export laws, so the Greens might have a leg to stand on based upon existing German law.


12 posted on 08/05/2011 10:29:07 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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Why are Leo 2’s useless against Iran? Human wave suicide attacks, or what IED’s.


13 posted on 08/05/2011 10:53:46 AM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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Saudis have no real airlift capacity and there is a sea and river delta between Saudi tanks and Iran’s hill country, and Iran’s topography doesn’t lend itself to any tank.


14 posted on 08/05/2011 10:59:15 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander

Saw US M-48s M-60’s HUMMVV’s, Germain Trucks with MG’s mounted on top and a few French armored cars, but no Leopard2’s


15 posted on 08/05/2011 11:01:04 AM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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To: JerseyHighlander

thanks that makes perfect sense


16 posted on 08/05/2011 11:02:45 AM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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To: econjack
Not sure why they would want to be buying tanks at this point in time. A few Predator's could decimate those tanks in short order if they wanted to.

Exactly.
Against whom are the Saudis most likely to use these German weapons?
Their own people, should they get "restless."
Against their neighbors who are being stirred up and armed by the more radical Middle East countries.
For exports to other countries closer to Israel.
Finally, against US installations.

In all of those cases, they are simply expensive targts.
What's the problem? It simply drains billions$ that the Saudis could otherwise use to fund terrorism abroad.
Not a problem.

At the first sign of any of these tanks being exported to other muslim countries, the entire inventory is toast.

17 posted on 08/05/2011 11:03:27 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: econjack
How many grammar and spelling mistakes are there?

Nine.
Possibly 11 if you consider syntax.

18 posted on 08/05/2011 11:05:57 AM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Red6

It must be genetic. Being German means never having to say you’re moral.

I remember reading some of the testimony of German officers that passionately protested the manner in which they executed Jews. They weren’t immoral, after all, since they decided to gas them. It wasn’t as if they were tortured to death . . .


19 posted on 08/05/2011 11:06:36 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: JerseyHighlander

To buy a bunch of the newest Leopards to use against civilian protesters would be the overkill of the millenium (i.e. no one would buy the tanks for that purpose). Machine guns mounted on the beds of pickup trucks á la the Somali warlords in Blackhawk Down would arguably be more effective.

I’m guessing the Saudi princes got bored with their Humvees for desert races and got themselves some new bad-ass toys. ;-)


20 posted on 08/05/2011 11:25:27 AM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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