Posted on 08/02/2011 5:15:38 AM PDT by marktwain
Two weeks ago, concerned about news reports that President Obama would order the investigation of citizens buying two or more rifles at a time, a licensed Texas gun dealer contacted his local Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) official to find out if the reports were true, so he could be in compliance. The ATF official assured him that he was aware of such legislation having been considered, but added, “The law is not going to pass, and we can’t enforce something that isn’t law.” This week, however, gun dealers and pawnshop owners across the country received a certified letter from the ATF requiring just such compliance.
The letter received by the dealer (viewable at Infowars.com, and personally examined by this writer) requires gun dealers in the states bordering Mexico (Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California) to report the sale or disposition of two or more semi-automatic rifles of certain types to the same person during a five-day period. Compliance with the new demand is to begin on August 14, 2011. The rifles in question are those capable of accepting a detachable magazine and with a caliber great than .22 (including .223/5.56 caliber).
The demand letter orders gun dealers to report to the feds any sales of “two or more pistols or revolvers, or any combination of pistols or revolvers totaling two or more.” Currently, dealers are required to report the purchase of two or more handguns within a five-day period, but a significant difference is in place with the new requirement. Handgun purchases are to be reported to the local chief of police and the FBI, but the multiple-rifle purchase reports are to go directly to the ATF — presumably so that the ATF can investigate the purchases, rather than having to wait until after the commission of a crime to use the information, as do police officers. This action effectively places the burden of proof on the dealer, and as the website notes, forces him to spy on his customers.
Constitutionalists point out that the agency's new ruling is both unconstitutional and illegal, as the ATF is attempting to enforce a law which was never passed. According to Guns.com, this ruling was “stripped entirely from the text of the regulation” when it came before Congress for a vote; however, the Obama administration is pushing it anyway. The President is on record as implementing restrictions on the Second Amendment “under the radar” — bypassing Congress through executive order.
Critics of the ruling cite the first sentence in the ATF letter — “To assist its [the ATF's] effort in investigation and combating the illegal movement of firearms along and across the Southwest border…” — as an example of the agency claiming it is trying to prevent the very thing that it has done itself: helping to move firearms illegally across the border. As is now well documented, the ATF’s disastrous operation Fast and Furious sanctioned the purchase of weapons in the U.S. by straw buyers, who in turn handed them off to gunrunners, who moved them across the Mexican border to cartel criminals. Supposedly the ATF was to track these weapons in order to discover smuggling routes, and to lead to cartel bosses. But the operation was "fast and furious" in going haywire, as the ATF stopped tracking the guns at the border. So in reality, the firearms were never tracked at all; and damningly, some were even found in the firefight in which Border Patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered.
Critics of the ATF action point in particular to what they see as hubris in the P.S. of the ATF letter to gunshop owners: “The information is used to determine whether the buyer (transferee) may be involved in unlawful activity, such as straw purchasing.” (Emphasis added.)
Veneuzela should be Venezuela.
Apparently some citizens are less equal than others.
FUBO!
Operation Gunwalker was done to allow this to happen.
The Operation got caught red handed, but the reason for it is carried out anyway.
The law means nothing to Obama. He makes his own law.
Congress allows him to do it .
Why do we need Congress?
I’ve never owned a gun, well maybe a BB gun.
I’m seriously thinking about getting a 22 rifle.
Thoughts???
So you just wait 6 days in between, this is stupid.
Its the ultimate survival gun, and cheap to shoot.
I don’t know a lot about guns. My hubby has a handgun, which I’m uncomfortable with, don’t ask me why. But, the rifle, nor the shotgun bothers me at all. I like the rifle...lol The shotgun is to nosy and has a kick.
Ruger or Marlin. I have a Marlin.
Cheap and accurate.
so buy from an individual. or goto a gun show and buy from two different dealers.
What you buy should depends on what you want to use it for.
If you just want to plunk at target shooting a 22 is fine.
They are accurate and cheap to use ,and they are fun to shoot.
If you want it for protection you need something with more stopping power.
For close up stopping power you cannot beat a shotgun, for range you need a rifle. If you are a good shot a rifle is fine , if you just want to point and shoot the shotgun is the way to go.
Others may have different opinions,but those are mine.
A .22 rifle is a very good start. If you do not know anything about guns, you might go to a gun club and let them know that you are a beginner. They are nearly always willing to help and to be courteous and respectful. We all had to start somewhere.
That completely describes US gun law, stupid.
Or you bring along your 15 cousins and they buy one a piece. Then you walk down the block to the next gun store. Rinse and repeat. If you've run out of gun stores and you're only on day 4, you shuffle through your stack of stolen identies and start over again.
If I had the money I would go out and buy 2 semi-auto rifles and encourage everyone I know to do the same. Let them investigate. Bury them in paperwork. Maybe they’ll figure out that it’s a waste of time and that they have other more important things to do.
Treat accordingly.
First one, I'd get a pump or lever action. You get fairly quick follow up shots without all the problems a SA can give you.
Check what the pawn shops have. Bad economy is a great time to pick up some good deals on guns at pawn shops.
Yep, you have honest citizens armed and well trained in gun use. I can betcha the criminal population will drop like flies ;) And I’m not talking about the wild west. It’s just a fact if the criminal thinks the person is armed and well trained they aint’ even gonna go there. They will just crawl back into whatever hole they climbed out of or will risk being put into a hole by an armed citizen.
The ATF also put GPS tracking devices in the gunwalker guns. How many other guns to they force the manufacturers to put these in?
As far as I know, the ATF put exactly two GPS devices on gunwalker guns. They were able to follow the track of one down into Mexico until the batteries quit.
They don't force manufacturers to put any on, that I know of, because it would be impractical, illegal, and stupid.
We should remain on our guard, of course, as they are always cooking up schemes to advance their control and effectively disarm the citizenry. I would worry more about mandated RFID chips on guns. It is a far more practical technology.
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