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The Worst Negotiators {bill includes funding Obamacare)
The Red State ^ | 7/29/2011 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/29/2011 4:41:41 AM PDT by blueyon

I cannot decide who the worst negotiators are, Republican leaders or House conservatives.

John Boehner’s plan couldn’t get the votes last night so Boehner had to agree to add language conditioning a vote on a balanced budget amendment — an amendment House Republicans said could not pass so there was no reason to pursue Cut, Cap, and Balance. The vote will now be today.

The vote now is all about fear and messaging — fear of blame and a very weak message. In fact, the House will send a weaker message than Cut, Cap, and Balance. It’ll also get less votes in either House than Cut, Cap, and Balance.

Last night on Sean Hannity’s show, Senator Rand Paul said around a dozen Republican Senators will vote against Boehner’s plan. And they must. Because if they do not, I have a sneaking suspicion that Harry Reid will strip out the balanced budget amendment language and the second vote on the debt ceiling, send it back to the House, and get it passed with a hundred Democrats.House Conservatives who don’t like the plan, but are willing to trade their vote for a balanced budget amendment are about to be force fed the plan they don’t like by Harry Reid and all with their help.

Frankly, the House Republicans have turned this vote into a cult of personality vote. It is not about saving the Republic, fighting Obama, or cutting the debt. And you remember that when they vote for it.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: boehner; boehner4dnc; boehner4obama; boehner4obamacare; boehner4reid; corruption; debtceiling; obama
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"To console themselves, Boehner is going to give House conservatives their balanced budget amendment language and then have them do the very thing they promised they’d fight — fund Obamacare.".................DOWN WITH THE BILL!
1 posted on 07/29/2011 4:41:47 AM PDT by blueyon
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To: blueyon

Boehner is giving Obama exactly what he wants, he’s just making him ask twice for it. As a bonus, Harry is angling to make the House Republicans break nearly every campaign promise they made.

After C,C+B passed, Boehner should have done nothing. All he is doing now is negotiating with himself on how much damage he can do to his caucus and the country.

Maybe this isn’t a Reid trap and he has a strategy, I just don’t see it.


2 posted on 07/29/2011 4:49:16 AM PDT by IamConservative (Do peeps that drive Smart Cars on freeways have a death wish? If not, they better have spare undies.)
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To: blueyon

Congress is filled with evil men (that includes women).


3 posted on 07/29/2011 4:50:41 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: IamConservative

If reid wanted it, some rats woulda been rounded up to vote for it.


4 posted on 07/29/2011 4:52:41 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: blueyon

Is the bill online?


5 posted on 07/29/2011 4:53:51 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: blueyon

Speaker of the House RINO Boehner:
“When the Tea Party and GOP finally discover I am to the left of you
and Reid,and that our coming bill funds Obamacare,
they will never, ever stop crying.”

6 posted on 07/29/2011 4:54:57 AM PDT by Diogenesis (No man's life, liberty, or property is safe while the legislature is in session. - Mark Twain)
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To: blueyon

If they do this I’ll be happy to go to d.c. to protest if someone will put it together.

The gop was given the majority on a promose to defund healthcare. Here is their chance to do it. This alone would cut the crap out of the debt. If they don’t do it we need to protest or simply let boner and his bunch know that we will know vote in the next election. Why should we vote people in who are going to do the opposite of what they promise.

Plus, the Tea Party congress people should tell boner that if he caves on any of this, such as extending this past obama’s re-election, they will caucus with the dems and elect pelosi speaker. I bet that would make him cry.


7 posted on 07/29/2011 4:56:39 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( You spell it Boehner. I'll spell it boner. We'll both pronounce it bay-ner.)
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To: blueyon

There are a great many posters here who are about to get slapped in the face with reality.

Boehner knew what he was doing with this and he intentionally cut CCB off.he wants to take the Tea Party down. They are a threat to the powerful RINO elite.

My personal opinion is that he was quietly behind the scenes threatening Jim Jordan with redistricting..and it isn’t just rumor.


8 posted on 07/29/2011 4:58:43 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: blueyon

Speaking of redstate and erikson, are any Freepers going to the Red State Gathering?


9 posted on 07/29/2011 4:59:37 AM PDT by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: Paladin2
Is the bill online?

I'm not sure, but what difference does THAT make. I doubt that many critters who will be voting on it have read it anyway. They'll have to pass it to find out what's in it. It's just the way politicians do things in DC.

10 posted on 07/29/2011 5:01:56 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: Roccus

WE need to read it to see what Boner is up to.


11 posted on 07/29/2011 5:15:25 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Terry Mross

When this monstrosity passes - is shoved down our throats -and it will because Tea Party members caved...we will have to focus on 2012.

I have been thinking that perhaps Sarah has been waiting to announce until this drama is over...and will use it as the excuse to run.

Third party? Not sure.

I just know that the big march on Washington with hundreds of thousands of people did not change things.

What will it take? I grew up living the American Dream.

Youngsters will grow up living the American Nightmare


12 posted on 07/29/2011 5:15:33 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Paladin2
WE need to read it to see what Boner is up to.

So WE can do....WHAT?

13 posted on 07/29/2011 5:21:55 AM PDT by Roccus (Obama & Holder LLP, Procurers of fine arms to the most discerning drug lords (202) 456-1414)
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To: IamConservative

“After C,C+B passed, Boehner should have done nothing.”

That’s too normal. What happened was abnormal. A gang of six or seven comes out of the woodwork with their plan to wreak the CCB, then we get Mitch with his plan and his deal of six congress/senators. Then we get this one. And wasn’t Ryans plan the first one?

It was a done deal since the golf game. All the rest is pure theatre. God bless our TP “gang” of 23.


14 posted on 07/29/2011 5:25:56 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: blueyon

As Mark Levine said on his radio show yesterday - “It’s hard work”. It took decades to get to this point and it’ll take a while until we get it into shape - if we get the opportunity - don’t trust obamunist if he’s losing the election.


15 posted on 07/29/2011 5:29:04 AM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: blueyon
In the end, McConnell, Reid and Boehner will put forth a bill which will get complete Dem support and enough establishment Republican support to pass it. Boehner, will try to completely cut out the tea party conservatives, which he views as an obstacle.

Obama will get what he wants (although that won't stop him from whining).

Reid will get what he wants( near limitless spending), and;

Boehner will get what he deserves (a party in disarray).

16 posted on 07/29/2011 5:34:07 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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To: Paladin2
Boehner had to agree to add language conditioning a vote on a balanced budget amendment — an amendment House Republicans said could not pass so there was no reason to pursue Cut, Cap, and Balance. The vote will now be today.

This is pure Boehner, he'll support anything that he knows won't pass. He's done it from the first day he entered congress. I know this because he was my congressman until last year, he talks conservative and but acts Rhino every time.

17 posted on 07/29/2011 5:35:52 AM PDT by Recon Dad ( five words most feared by a Louisiana politician: “Will the defendant please rise.”)
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To: blueyon
Bonehead is head of the K Street Party.
Johnny holds the record for the largest number of former aides working for K ST lobbyists.Just recently his top aide jumped over to K street ! Gee I wonder why !
He had the nerve to go on Rush's show and LIE and LIE badly.
Johnny has no interest in gettng rid of Obamacare or massive spending since K street loves Obamacare so Johnny does too !
Nothing will ever change in DC with Bonehead and Mitchy in charge !
18 posted on 07/29/2011 5:50:25 AM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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To: blueyon

It amazes me how little 0bamacare is mentioned in these debt speeches made by the GOPers . The elephant in the room ,,, just amazing .


19 posted on 07/29/2011 5:53:50 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (-:{ GLENN BECK is 0bama's TRANSPARENCY CZAR }:-)
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To: blueyon
Did he add language cutting their pay 20%, placing themselves under Medicare, including 0, limit histheir vacations, parties, golfing, campaign misuse of A-1. And Mooch's clothes horse fetish we have to pay for? Did they kick 1 illegal invader off any social program? Did they cut even 1 of the thousands of Pig Book useless project that cost about $16.5 B for this year? It was all a smoke and mirror dog and pony show.

No they gutted the Military active duty and retired.

political flow chart

When top level guys look down, they see only shitheads.
When bottom level guys look up, they see only assholes.
Never seen a Flow Chart described so clearly.

20 posted on 07/29/2011 6:58:20 AM PDT by GailA (Any congress critter who fails to keep faith with the Military, will NOT keep faith with YOU!)
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