[St. Louis Conservative]

Left unsaid is what the next move is if Boehner’s bill is defeated. How does that strengthen the GOP’s hand in the debt limit fight and how does that get us a more “conservative” bill here? I haven’t heard that explained. At the end of the day, something has to pass the Dem senate and get Obama’s signature. The real key is getting it through the senate. If it makes it through the senate, Obama will likely sign it. The trick is to get the most conservative possible bill through the senate. If Boehner’s bill blows up, how does that advance the conservative cause? And no matter what you think, it matters how Republicans come out of this battle politically. How does defeating Boehner’s bill strenghten them politically?

[RushingWater]

something has to pass the Dem senate and get Obama’s signature

Wrong! How about forcing Obama to spend less without raising the debt!!

[reaganaut1]

Exactly right.

[bayliving]

it matters how Republicans come out of this battle politically.

Here is your, Boehner's and all other RINO's mental flaw.

While you and Republican RINOs are concerned only about politics, the TRUE conservatives are worried about the very existence of our nation and are fighting accordingly.

Politics be damned! FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

[crusader71]

“And no matter what you think, it matters how Republicans come out of this battle politically.”

I absolutely agree. This is an extremely important issue, but no one is thinking how this relates to 2012. A mishandling of this could be handing the communist 4 more years. Instead, everyone is simply putting all their chips in on this debt ceiling issue (don’t get me wrong, it’s important) rather than looking at the bigger picture which is defeating obama and taking control of the senate. I don’t get it.

[freedomrings69]

Boehner’s bill is not conservative. It allows for huge overspending for years with total nonsense for controls. It is no loss if it goes down.

[LS]

Anything that stops a compromise forces Reid to bring up CCB AGAIN (which under the rules he can do and will have to do). So, I say, “no deal!!!!”

[expatpat]

No, Reid will vote it down in the Senate, make it more satisfying to Dems, and send that result back down to the House — and Boener is back on the hook again.....>p>The libs are not very smart, but they are VERY cunning.

[Prospero]

Here's the deal. Let's say Boehner's Plan passes the House and is sent to the Senate. The Senate will vote no on concurrence, and refer the bill to committee where it will be amended. The amended bill, still called "Boehner's Plan," though it will have been changed to something Senate Democrats can support, will return to the Senate floor and be approved.

Then, the Senate-amended substitute (still called "Boehner's Plan" by the screaming-idiot media) will then return to the House, where the House will vote not to concur and a House-Senate Conference Committee will be appointed to work out the differences.

And we're back to square one.

The House has already voted on a plan, and Reid had it tabled, without a recorded vote.

No one who supports "Boehner's Plan" can tell me where all this high drama, when the Senate majority has already said it will not concur, is to our advantage.

Obama wants to let his artificial deadline pass, and make the GOP responsible, or get his way, this issue out of his way, through the election.

[greeneyes]

Demand that Reid take CCB off the table, allow debate, and a vote. It is the only plan that has enough “cuts” to meet what the rating agencies have said they need to see.

It is a compromise because the debt ceiling is increased, there is new revenue from decreasing the tax rate and expanding the base (projected revenue is mostly from anticipated new jobs).

[qman]

Do nothing and the budget goes back to 2006 levels, thats how much money the ‘O’ has spent in the last 2 years, was it that bad in 2006, was the government to small or to big in 2006?

[ThermoNuclearWarrior]

I couldn't care less how Republicans come out of this if it's the liberal spineless ones like Boehner and the rest of the Republican leadership. If they aren't going to use their power to save this country then why should I care if they lose power in the next election? They shouldn't be passing any legislation that wouldn't have a significant and positive impact on the nation. It might not pass the Senate, but why is it always the Republicans who decide to give into the demands of liberals when it comes to these things? There can't be a compromise between Conservatives and liberals who insist on nation killing policies that are completely out of control. All the Republican leadership seems to care about is trying to put the blame of something that's destructive to our nation on the democrats when they have the power to stop the damn thing in the first place.

The Republicans with the most power aren't Conservative, and only pretend to be at times to keep their power. Just imagine what these guys would be doing without the pressure of the newly elected Conservatives and the rejuvenated Conservative movement. Republicans need to pass significant legislation regardless of it's chance to become law before giving into liberal demands and passing things that have no real impact, but will be used by both sides to pretend they did something great; if the American voters reject the acts that are needed to save this country then we are doomed anyway. If Republicans can't act Conservative, or are too afraid to act Conservative, then I don't care about supporting them. I just hope the newly elected Conservatives don't cave even though it already looks like many are.

[Principled]

Totally agree with your post.

[nina0113]

Left unsaid is what the next move is if Boehner’s bill is defeated. How does that strengthen the GOP’s hand in the debt limit fight and how does that get us a more “conservative” bill here? I haven’t heard that explained. At the end of the day, something has to pass the Dem senate and get Obama’s signature. The real key is getting it through the senate. If it makes it through the senate, Obama will likely sign it. The trick is to get the most conservative possible bill through the senate. If Boehner’s bill blows up, how does that advance the conservative cause? And no matter what you think, it matters how Republicans come out of this battle politically. How does defeating Boehner’s bill strenghten them politically?

What do you suggest? Should we let the Senate write it in the first place, and send it over so Boehner can copy it over in his own handwriting?

My preference is to go BACK to CCB, and just keep sending that back to the Senate every single day until they agree to debate it.