Many incorrect facts here. They are hyping it for all it’s worth. If he had used ball ammo or penetrator ammo, the story would be that he was using “cop killer” or “armor piercing” ammo.
Ah, so hollowpoints are super UNUSUAL..!
Oooooookaaaay...!
Well we know where this is going; never let a crisis go 2 waste, ya know?
Are these bullets legal in the US?
Sounds to me like the only ‘dum-dums” here are the “experts’ and the journalist.
I guess they’re talking about pre-fragmented ammo like Glaser or Magsafe. I’ve never heard the term dum-dum used to describe ammunition.
Investigators should also check for poison - Breivik was interested in using poisoned bullets.
I’m curious to know their gun laws...I’m betting very restrictive...and very ineffective.
I admit, I haven’t followed every shred of information connected to this incident. What firearms did the shooter use?
These were not “dum-dum” bullets. Dum Dum was the name given to bullets used in WWI that were altered by the troops. They filed the ends off of full metal jacketed bullets and sometimes cut crosses into the ends of the bullets. This made them expand like a hollow point. The bullets used in this shooting were either hollow points or some type of frangible bullet.
They couldn’t get more incomplete or incorrect facts about this story if they tried. I haven’t seen mention of the gun used in the attack or the possible grain load of the bullet.
Weak exit wounds may be caused by smaller rounds at lower velocities which would also likely explain shattering instead of flattening out and punching through. This doesn’t make it any special super secret, super evil ammunition.
I’m not a specialist in this field, but I have fired just about every gun short of artillery, and I grew up in the culture. My above speculation is not scientific, but it does fit with my previous experiences.
The journalist is a dum dum.
Would it have been better if the killer had used poorly-designed bullets?
Bullets intended to maim but not kill?
Shoot, he probably used a 9mm: it’s surprising anyone actually died.
It appears that the surgeon and “journalist” are both utterly ignorant on the subject of small-arms ammunition, and have an anti-RKBA bias.
“Dum-Dum” was the name of a manufacturing plant in India around a hundred years ago.
Their bullets were not really unusual, they just featured an exposed lead tip, now legally required for hunting in most states.
Most “Self Defense” ammunition has either an exposed lead tip, or a hollow cavity in the nose.
By this articles standard nearly all non-FMJ (Full Metal Jacket) ammunition is “Dum-Dum” type, in reality the “Dum-Dum” moniker has become a pejorative term favored by gun banners.
In my collection I have some of the “Anti-Terrorism” ammunition Israel developed after the Munich massacre, it is a hollow cylinder of brass, with a plastic plug to enable reliable feeding.
It leaves a hollow wound track to drain the body of blood, and a core of detached tissue that will NOT heal.
We can be glad this nut did not use that sort of ammunition.
We may be glad he did not use any of several types of expanding ammunition either, not being a doctor I am not certain which bullet type is more lethal (something even the experts debate endlessly), but the frangible bullets were less likely to pass through one victim and strike a second.
From the description is appears he used frangible ammunition, composed of a compressed and molded metallic powder.
This is actually a “Safety” ammunition, designed to prevent ricochet or over-penetration of building walls.
It is commonly used by cops, air marshals, and security guards.
It is designed to dump it’s energy in the target without exiting so as to protect bystanders, it will not typically puncture an airplane fuselage.
Stating that the nutso shooter used “Safety” ammunition would not serve the agenda of the authors, so they trotted out the Dum-Dum fiction instead.
If he was using a bullet of .308 diameter or smaller, he should have been using varmint bullets. These are widely used on small, thin-skinned animals like prairie dogs, ground squirrels, coyotes, foxes, etc. They often have very thin copper jackets, sintered lead cores, and a plastic tip to start violent expansion upon impact. They dump most all of their energy in the first two to three inches of tissue to prevent over-penetration and downrange hazards.
If anyone wants to see an example, google “Hornady V-max”. I have no information as to his choice of ammunition, bullet or even what caliber he used. Varmint bullets simply match the description of the wound ballistics given by the doctors quoted in the articles.
“Dum-dum” bullets are such arcane nonsense that only people as ignorant of firearms as the British would use it. Using terms like “dum-dum” and “cordite” is part of why nothing written by the British media about firearms is accurate or trustworthy.
If the Norwegians had some decent security this could of been stopped. Their false sense of safety was created by very strict gun laws which seemed quite useless in this case. I think we can count on the Norwegians to come away with the wrong conclusions and make even stricter gun laws rather then conclude that just a single armed person could of taken this fool out. Speaking of bullets, I do hope that if I get shot it is with a full metal jacketed 25 auto in my posterior from some distance.
another report says he claims he filled his bullets with liquid nicotine to inflict maximum pain
Is it possible that he used frangible rounds?
I think most folks think hollow points are the same as dum-dums. This guy probably just used hollow points.
Working a range once in Germany a couple of the Germans in charge of the range wandered over to watch a few of us shoot our private weapons.
A LT I was with had a .357 and a box of hollow points. While talking with the Germans, one of them saw a few of the LT’s hollow point rounds on the table. He picked one up, looked straight at the LT and said, “Dum-dums are very bad. You’ll get more time in jail than sex with 15yo girl here in Germany.”
The poor LT turned white as a ghost. It was pretty funny.