If they are using the words 'dum dum' to describe hollow point ammo...hell yeah. I have two mags loaded with them for my Beretta at all times. Plus P.
Posted on 07/25/2011 7:40:24 PM PDT by smokingfrog
The gunman who slaughtered dozens of campers at a Norwegian island retreat used special bullets designed to disintegrate inside the body and cause maximum internal damage, the chief surgeon at a hospital treating victims said.
Colin Poole, head of surgery at Ringriket Hospital in Honefoss north-west of Oslo, told AP surgeons treating 16 gunshot victims have recovered only tiny fragments on bullets from victims' bodies, adding that the exit wounds were unusually small and weak.
"These bullets more or less exploded inside the body. All the energy of the bullets was deposited inside the tissue," Poole said.
"They inflicted internal damage that's absolutely horrible."
** -snip- **
Ballistics experts say dum-dum bullets are lighter in weight and can be fired with greater accuracy over varying distances. They commonly are used by air marshals and hunters of small animals.
Poole, a surgeon for 26 years at the hospital, said the bullets were "hyper-fragmentable" and produced confusing pictures on X-rays.
"It's caused us all kinds of extra problems in dealing with the wounds they cause, with very strange trajectories," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...
Many incorrect facts here. They are hyping it for all it’s worth. If he had used ball ammo or penetrator ammo, the story would be that he was using “cop killer” or “armor piercing” ammo.
Ah, so hollowpoints are super UNUSUAL..!
Oooooookaaaay...!
Well we know where this is going; never let a crisis go 2 waste, ya know?
Are these bullets legal in the US?
Sounds to me like the only ‘dum-dums” here are the “experts’ and the journalist.
I guess they’re talking about pre-fragmented ammo like Glaser or Magsafe. I’ve never heard the term dum-dum used to describe ammunition.
Investigators should also check for poison - Breivik was interested in using poisoned bullets.
yes
(Better get some while you can.)
I’m curious to know their gun laws...I’m betting very restrictive...and very ineffective.
Odds are, the ammo was of a brand that many here would recognize.
“Dum-dum” is term from a century ago, originating with, I believe, the “Dum Dum” arsenal in India.
It describes lead bullets with an “X” cut into the nose for enhanced expansion.
It’s very effective.
Dum-Dum is an old term. Some guys in WWII used to split the full metal jacket on their bullets a bit, with a knife. It MIGHT make them fragment better, but it sure as hell doesn’t increase accuracy.
If they are using the words 'dum dum' to describe hollow point ammo...hell yeah. I have two mags loaded with them for my Beretta at all times. Plus P.
I admit, I haven’t followed every shred of information connected to this incident. What firearms did the shooter use?
These were not “dum-dum” bullets. Dum Dum was the name given to bullets used in WWI that were altered by the troops. They filed the ends off of full metal jacketed bullets and sometimes cut crosses into the ends of the bullets. This made them expand like a hollow point. The bullets used in this shooting were either hollow points or some type of frangible bullet.
Yep. Make everything about guns or bullets as scary as possible so that it scares the useful idiots. Like callign the .50 BMG an “anti-tank” round. Yea, it was made to shoot tanks -— in 1918 when tank armor was 1/2” thick.
A Glock pistol and a Mini-14.....
My guess is he was well armed but didn’t use anything special, otherwise, we probably would have heard it by now. “assault weapons” “high capacity magazines” etc. etc.
They couldn’t get more incomplete or incorrect facts about this story if they tried. I haven’t seen mention of the gun used in the attack or the possible grain load of the bullet.
Weak exit wounds may be caused by smaller rounds at lower velocities which would also likely explain shattering instead of flattening out and punching through. This doesn’t make it any special super secret, super evil ammunition.
I’m not a specialist in this field, but I have fired just about every gun short of artillery, and I grew up in the culture. My above speculation is not scientific, but it does fit with my previous experiences.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.