Posted on 07/23/2011 12:11:38 PM PDT by opentalk
While the leftist and Islamic supremacist ghouls rush to portray Norway mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik as a Christian and even as an anti-jihadist, the unanswered questions multiply. Why did a jihad group take credit for the atrocities, and then retract? And who altered the murderer's Facebook page? Yesterday, at the time that his name was released, his Facebook page looked like this (hat tip Vivien for the screenshot):
But shortly thereafter, this screenshot started circulating, of an altered Facebook page on which Breivik identified himself as a Christian and a conservative: (screenshot hat tip Vivien)
Did he have two different Facebook pages, one in Norwegian and one in English, and he only identified himself as a Christian and a conservative on the English one? Or did he pause from his murder spree to add "Christian" and "conservative" to his Facebook profile? Or maybe the whole page is a fake, as has been reported here.
But in the case, who faked it, and why? Who is so anxious to portray Breivik as a Christian and conservative? And if this was faked, can we trust any of the material that is now being released about Breivik being anti-jihad?
That's the part I don't get, but what we don't know is:
How old were the kids? (I read in their teens somewhere, sorry, no link)
Is this a political summer camp'? (I read somewhere that the island was owned by the same party as the PM).
If these are the children of the political party elites that he rails about being the ones subjecting Norway to Islamic multiculturalism, that may be why they were targeted.
That does not excuse killing children in my book, ever, but I can see where that might fit into some sort of twisted logic. I'm not so sure I want to get that far inside this guy's head.
Haven’t heard from Western Culture on this.
Western Culture, what do you think of the recent tragedy in Oslo and the events surrounding it?
Some evil, misguided fools who see a civil war coming believe time is on the enemy’s side, and provoking the war sooner instead of later is preferred. My take.
Did ABB have any real, physical, breathing, face-to-face friends? Was his only “social life” on the internet? In the breathing world, was he an isolated loner?
My theory on why at 143.
Is the Oslo Gunman Really Right-Wing?
Posted on July 23, 2011 at 1:25pm by Jonathon M. Seidl
It’s also important to note that the terms of American politics are not easily transferable to European politics. Often, the extremes in Europe are communists on the left and fascists on the right. In America, “extreme right wing” has been hijacked to label conservatives who adhere strictly to the Constitution, or who fight for legal immigration. (Some on the American left have even succeeded in making “extreme right wing” synonymous with the Tea Party.) In Europe, however, the term could mean zealous nationalists and militant fascists.
So, an “extreme right wing” individual in Europe is not always an “extreme right wing” individual in America. That’s important to note, as the designation will undoubtedly make the rounds in the attack’s aftermath.
Considering what we know about Breivik, then, could it be that the term “extreme right wing” is a misnomer? Especially considering that when you start dealing with extremist groups and individuals who fall well beyond the fringe, their beliefs often blur — they handpick a tenant from the right and bastardize it, grab an ideology from the left and skew it, and then create their own belief system.
Breivik’s beliefs — and the actions he implemented — may show he and his ideology are as fuzzy as they come.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-oslo-gunman-really-right-wing/
I see.Thanks Mesta.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2753128/posts?page=15
Anders Breivik Copied the Unabomber’s Manifesto
Yes, he did. A lot of his personal life is interspersed with his “philosophy”. You really have to start at the beginning and go to the end. He mapped this out and carried it out and described every step of the way. Some of it is extremely techical, but most of it is a journey through his mind. He even describes how he will act in court at his trial...although it is clear, he did not expect to survive this. He gave himself a 5% chance.
He did copy a couple of specific parts of it that matched up with his own ideology, but for the most part, this thing is something that is a conglomeration of how he started this, why he started this, and how he sees its conclusion. It is an amazing body of work.
Here is a couple of examples:
Q: Are you a religious man, and should science take priority over the teachings of the Bible?
A: My parents, being rather secular wanted to give me the choice in regards to religion. At the age of 15 I chose to be baptised and confirmed in the Norwegian State Church. I consider myself to be 100% Christian. However, I strongly object to the current suicidal path of the Catholic Church but especially the Protestant Church. I support a Church that believes in self defence and who are willing to fight for its principles and values, at least resist the efforts put forth to exterminate it gradually. The Catholic and Protestant Church are both cheering their own annihilation considering the fact that they embrace the ongoing inter-faith dialogue and the appeasement of Islam. The current Church elite has shown its suicidal face, as vividly demonstrated last year by the archbishop of Canterbury’s speech contemplating the legitimacy of Shariah in parts of Britain.
I trust that the future leadership of a European cultural conservative hegemony in Europe will ensure that the current Church leadership are replaced and the systems somewhat reformed. We must have a Church leadership who supports a future Crusade with the intention of liberating the Balkans, Anatolia and creating three Christian states in the Middle East. Efforts should be made to facilitate the de-construction of the Protestant Church whose members should convert back to Catholicism.
The Protestant Church had an important role once but its original goals have been accomplished and have contributed to reform the Catholic Church as well. Europe should have a united Church lead by a just and non-suicidal Pope who is willing to fight for the security of his subjects, especially in regards to Islamic atrocities.
I fully support that the Church gains more or less monopoly on religion in Europe (government policies, school curriculum etc at least) in addition to granting the Church
several concessions which have been taken from them the last decades.
As for the Church and science, it is essential that science takes an undisputed precedenceover biblical teachings. Europe has always been the cradle of science and it must always continue to be that way.
Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?
A: As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus. Being a Christian can mean many things;
- That you believe in and want to protect Europe’s Christian cultural heritage.
The European cultural heritage, our norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and our modern political systems are based on Christianity -Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European enlightenment (reasonis the primary source and legitimacy for authority).
It is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our modern societies and European secularism is a result of European Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to understand the difference between a “Christian fundamentalist theocracy” (everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want).
So no, you don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas and Easter)).
The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation but rather a Christian “culturalist” military order.
Thank you.
He also mentioned (read somewhere yesterday) that he is pro-homosexual “rights”; his personal philosophy seems not easy to put in a box with an existant label.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2753307/posts
Hunt for Britons linked to Norway killer Anders Behring Breivik
The Telegraph ^ | July 24, 2011 | Gordon Rayner, Duncan Gardham and John Bingham in Oslo
Posted on Sunday, July 24, 2011 2:49:48 PM by Free ThinkerNY
A hunt for possible British accomplices of the mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik is under way after it emerged that he began his deadly “crusade” after meeting other Right-wing extremists in London. Before he carried out Norway’s worst terrorist atrocity, Breivik typed out a chilling 1,500-page description of his plans, written entirely in English and datelined “London, 2011”.
He signed the document “Andrew Berwick”, an Anglicised version of his name, and described his “mentor” as an Englishman he identified as Richard.
Scotland Yard counter-terrorism officers are now trying to establish whether Breivik visited London in recent years and whether he was part of a wider network preparing to carry out similar attacks.
The 32 year-old boasted that he was just one of up to 80 “solo martyr cells” recruited throughout Western Europe who were ready to follow his example of trying to overthrow governments tolerant of Islam.
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