Posted on 07/16/2011 2:50:18 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
Salon Exclusive: The Texas governor's uncomfortably close ties to groups that glorify the Lost Cause
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Rick Perry made national headlines in 2009 when, during a speech to a Tea Party group, he floated the possibility that Texas could secede from the union. But the governor's substantive ties to the neo-Confederate movement may be deeper than previously known.
A 1998 voting guide published by a leading neo-Confederate group and obtained by Salon not only endorses Perry for lieutenant governor but also describes him as "a member of the Sons of Confederate Veterans." Perry's office did not respond to a request for comment about the governor's possible membership in the Sons of Confederate Veterans.
This is the document, published by the League of the South on its website DixieNet.org; it was unearthed by Edward Sebesta, a Texas-based independent researcher and co-editor of "Neo-Confederacy: A Critical Introduction." Click the image for larger size.
[BIG BIG BIG SNIP]
UPDATE 7/14/11: Perry spokeswoman Catherine Frazier issues this denial: "[T]he governor never joined that group nor has he ever paid any dues to it."
I've asked her if he has a position on the pending license plate issue, and if I hear back I will update this post.
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I beg your pardon?
I have to contend with these trolls constantly.
When I challenge them in the open, I’m doing it intentionally.
Do you think a “private” reply is going to stop a troll?
BTW, I began this thread and feel it is proper to respond to comments.
And the reason I ALWAYS go to the Confederacy threads is I am still fighting the Civil War!
Think of me as an UNRECONSTRUCTED HOOSIER.
Capice?
You people always bring up the Indiana Klan and I want to make sure whatever is said is true and accurate. One of my mother's first cousins took down the Klan. My grandmother moved into a house where she used stacks of klan literature for several years to start the furnace in the morning. We actually went on some FREEDOM RIDES on the Indianapolis Transit System ~ if I was with grandmother she'd take me to the back of the bus ~ End of story.
Yes, an hereditary pro American dedicated to the highest ideals of the Republic.
Poor Madge Oberholzer grew up in my old neighborhood. When DC Stephenson was let out of prison for killing her he moved to my other grandmother's neighborhood where he was NOT highly prized. He's lucky he didn't get sucked down the local quicksand and "disappeared".
So, Perry attended a Bilderberger meeting...what of it. Has he been back since? Does that wipe out his very good record of keeping our State one of the most efficient economies in the country? Alex Jones attended a Bilderberger meeting. In fact, tried to crash one he was so determined to get in. Have you never gone to a meeting on invite to see what the purpose was, or what they wanted of you?
I’ve had people come to me with the most ridiculous tales about the Masons and Eastern Star. My Grandfather, Grandmother and Uncles were all members. They were the salt of the earth and there at the drop of a hat when anybody cried HELP! As a teenager, I got curious and confronted my Grandmother on the secrecy and the grand poh bahs and code books and rituals...by the way have you ever been to a Mason’s funeral...it’s a beautiful occasion. I told her all the things I’d heard against their ‘secret’ society and how suspicious I should be of it. She said, it’s no surprise people are suspicious of things they know nothing about...so they make up stuff supporting their ‘suspicions’. She said, ‘I’ am a member because this gives ‘me’ opportunity to help others in their time of need anonymously. I don’t need a pat on the back for it. It is my duty as a person of Christian faith through my church, and as a citizen through this organization. She said, watch what I ‘DO’, as a living example and testament. Anybody can be a member if they seek it. We’re not a CLOSED society, other than if you’re the county commissioner, known to rip off county funds, you won’t get in. And then she winked, because she knew that was the source of my ‘suspicion’.
Can the two of you take your pissing contest to private messages? Please?
Do like most and put them on ‘ignore’ and scroll right on past. The info has been posted multiple times both pro and con so who really cares or pays it any attention except the poster.
You SEEM to be a Perry operative,
and certainly are a PerryBOT
who appears hearing impaired to certain facts.
[And ‘Bra size’?
What woman makes a comment like that, Rick?]
Oh that's just plain silly and actually ignorant of the history of the South.
Up until the election of Richard Nixon as President almost ALL Southern wihte were democrats. The late 1960s began the Great Political Awakening here in the South. The Jim Crow laws were abandoned (which was good) but personally, black and white relations were always BETTER in the South than elsewhere. Finally, the laws restricting blacks were lifted. The rest of Southern society didn't change much on racial relations, which were never as bad as the North said or believed it was. The laws were wrong, and finally, we fixed them. I'll even acknowledge the courage and convictions of the men of the North and the blacks who fought to change them, and made my homeland a more just place.
Still, there was no Republican Party to speak of in the South except a handful of black professionals and a few far-sighted whites. Along with the Civil Rights movement the other huge and historic change for the South was the migration of white Southern conservatives from the democrat party to the Republican. And they changed because the democrats were not, and are not conservatives. The democrats became liberals in the late 1960's, which peaked in the 1972 nomination of anti-Vietnam war McGovernand over the past generation have (Clinton --> Obama) become socialists.
Ronals Reagan once said, "I didn't leave the democrat party, the party left me." Most white Southerners will tell you the same thing.
But to state that no true conservative could have ever been a democrat before is nonsense and ignores what happened to the United States from the 1960s until about 20 years ago. A whole region of the country basically changed party affiliations.
That was the smart thing to do because that means he was never a RINO.
For a short while we were stuck with the retreads in the Souf' but we don't need them anymore.
There's a cutoff point. It's past the cutoff.
NO MORE RINOs.
Look, you are probably right. But you are now getting muddy and your argument is losing credibility and focus by calling someone a troll who doesn't agree with you.
If so, do you have Perry nightmares?
Or, do you only have Perry nightmares without sleep?
lol, My son’s Indiana father-in-law, the first time I met him in a get together coffee klatch to plan a wedding, pulled up his big long nose, looked down it, and said, ‘I have never understood why Texans are so racist.’ This was like in the first paragraph of conversation with a man I had never met in my life!
Needless to say, I put my elbows on the table and gave this man, a history teacher, a short discourse on his bigotry and a LOT of historical FACTS. Come to find out, in his grand curriculum at IU or UI, whichever, he’d never taken a course in Texas history, and of course the Civil War was taught there from only one perspective. The glorious north won the war because of their noble cause to free the slaves and the south was evil! (snort)...from a hick from the cornfields of Indiana whose travels had been solely to Washington, DC and Florida. It wasn’t easy to attend that wedding knowing that my son was going to have to deal with such bull spit for the rest of his life.
Well, until about a month ago, I didn’t think much at all about Rick Perry. Most of the threads that I’m on don’t really involve Perry. And I’m on an entirely different message board cranking out the words as well. Bachmann and Palin are currently hot topics, and Perry really isn’t, except that people want to post every last thing they can.
Yeah, being invited to Bilderberg and trying to investigate Bilderberg and being denied entrance aren’t the same thing. Everyone knew exactly what Bilderberg was by the late 90s. Clinton and Blair were Bilderberg. And in the late 90s people knew it.
The Souf' stupidly elected to start a war at the very moment when about half the available manpower in the Northern States had absolutely no income and nothing better to do than go shoot them.
Worth noting ~ in Indiana the Civil War was fought for one purpose only ~ JOBS. It was a major JOBS program. There was also a spiritual meaning to it since so terribly many of the state's residents were, themselves born in Southern states but for some reason or the other grew up anti-slavery thus necessitating their relocation to a safe place. Indiana troops provided the Spatznetz type guys to go in and set fire to Souvrn' towns. They could be trusted to act on the basis of personal revenge. Being persecuted just one time does something to a man ya' know.
Indiana still is, as you know, the Northernmost Souvrn' state.
We eat grits the same way you do ~ but better, since we grow good corn. No idea where that corn you people eat came from ~ Mexico perhaps?
BTW, Indiana University (IU as in Indianensis Universitatis) recently passed University of Texas in terms of private endowments.
Startling, eh?
-btw Do you know if Rick Perrry has any ancestors who fought for Texas in the Civil War?
What I said was far different. To wit: "......if you ever got elected as a Democrat to public office YOU CAN NEVER BE A REAL REPUBLICAN."
God bless you RowdyFFC. I’m in total agreement.
truthfreedom's words...
...Perry is THE WORST, but it will take some effort to stomp him to dust. The msm likes him, and has been pushing him. I’d say start attacking him, full blast, right now, so he doesn’t get in.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2749154/posts?page=12#12
It keeps trying to spread “gay” rumors about Perry that it knows are false. It tries to see how many time it can attach the name Karl Rove to Perry, even though it knows Rove worked against Perry in the last primaries.
It has no interest in truth...it is merely a pathetic anti-Perry propagandist whose stated goal is to "attack" Perry.
CW...ignore Beavis and Butthead, and thanks for the info.
Oh, and the guys who went to Santa Fe in 1598 ~ they administered whatever affairs Tejas might have had for a good long while (except at the whaler's camp at Brownsville ~ they were all Scanderhoovians so who has any idea what their names were although I can tell you what they called their church).
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