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South California' for 51st state?
L.A. Times ^ | July 11, 2011 | Phil Willon

Posted on 07/15/2011 11:52:50 AM PDT by Slambat

Accusing Sacramento of pillaging local governments to feed its runaway spending and left-wing policies, a Riverside County politician is proposing a solution: He wants 13 mostly inland, conservative counties to break away to form a separate state of "South California.''

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To: brownsfan

that is the bill ayers map.


41 posted on 07/15/2011 12:43:57 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: brownsfan

What many of these experts don’t realize is that IF the USA breaks apart, so shall quite a few other nations while many of the larger nations plunge into civil war (China).

It will be the dark ages again...


42 posted on 07/15/2011 12:47:16 PM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: muawiyah
The U.S. Constitution is a miracle.
43 posted on 07/15/2011 12:51:39 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: longtermmemmory

I believe the rule is that it must be approved by Congress.


44 posted on 07/15/2011 12:51:50 PM PDT by RC2
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To: ozzymandus
“Conservative half”?? Just 2 more crazy leftist senators.

California has some great conservative leaders such as Bruce Herschensohn, Tom McClintock, and Victor Davis Hanson. Men such as these would likely become the leaders of a new state formed from California's "red" counties.

45 posted on 07/15/2011 12:52:24 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: brownsfan

IL has a great deal more in common with the NE than IN and OH.

Used to live in MT. It has a lot more in common with most of the midwest than it does with WA and OR. Same for WY.

Our country just doesn’t split up conveniently into nice regional blocks anymore. Which is why all the talk of secession is really silly.

You can have secession when the divide is territorial. Outs isn’t, not anymore.


46 posted on 07/15/2011 12:54:14 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Slambat

It’ll remain at 50 because North Dakota will be reclassified as a territory much the same way Pluto was decertified as a planet some years back.


47 posted on 07/15/2011 12:55:24 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (*It does not matter how fast you go. It is how slow you can go, and still win. ~ Juan Manuel Fangio)
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To: Fiji Hill
"Red" counties in California outnumber the "blue."

well, there's the answer. reapportion the representation to one rep per county and one elector per county to vote for national races. Kind of an electoral college but on a state level.

48 posted on 07/15/2011 1:02:05 PM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: Slambat

Will NATO conduct airstrikes in support of the Freedom Seekers? If not, why not?


49 posted on 07/15/2011 1:16:48 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: Slambat

Northern Kalifornicate might as well follow with the proposal of a 52nd state. That would leave the coastal commie counties to eventually resimble E & W Germeny where the the east stagnated in poverty due to the communist/socialist government.


50 posted on 07/15/2011 1:24:00 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: drypowder
marin county, monterey, and LA counties should form their own coastal dreamland, complete with everyone getting 100% welfare, no holds barred, all sexual orientation welcome, anything liberal is welcomed, only one law, no conservatives or conservative thought or speech.

They could commence to govern to their heart's content, and leave the rest of us alone.

Well, except for they need someone to generate the cash they will be handing out.

51 posted on 07/15/2011 1:31:05 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: drypowder
As long as the Bay Area BUILDS A LARGE FENCE FIRST.

Once they go their own way we don't want their kind around here anymore.

52 posted on 07/15/2011 1:55:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Fiji Hill

Yea. But the blue areas have all the people.


53 posted on 07/15/2011 2:26:24 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Gator113
I don’t see anything left in the beautiful state California worth saving... just let it go.

Thanks a lot. We have gorgeous weather, the most mild in the country, plus we have a lot of good conservative people here. Including FR's founder, and including the #2 source of donations to the site here.

Like the military, you shouldn't leave your brothers and sisters behind just because they are in a tight spot.

54 posted on 07/15/2011 2:30:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle

Calm down and don’t get mad at me, Yaelle....

I love the beauty of your state, I know that Jim lives there and that many other good solid conservatives also make their home there. However, until/unless I see some sign that things are changing for the better, I wouldn’t give 2 cents for the entire state.

Heck, I even like San Francisco, well, the old buildings, old history and the Golden Gate Bridge. Ha, you should see Seattle, I call it San Francisco North and while it’s about 3 hours from me, it is in my rad state.

I haven’t been to California for around 30 years and I plan to never go there again, but I sure wish things would change so that I might enjoy some of what I saw as good about it.

Yaelle, I’d like to be wrong, I hope things change, but from here, it just doesn’t look like it will.

I knew my post might hit a nerve with some, it’s unfortunate that it was you, because of all the folks on FR, you continue to have my respect.


55 posted on 07/15/2011 3:00:17 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Gator113

rad state=red state


56 posted on 07/15/2011 3:01:55 PM PDT by Gator113 (Palin 2012, period.....)
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To: Sherman Logan

I’m not sure you can form a state from within a state. If you look at Article 4, Section 3 where it states “but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State”. That phrase is bordered by semicolons, meaning it’s a separate thought from the one listed behind it where it says “nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress”. That means, to me, that the part where the states Legislatures (notate plural) and Congress are mentioned is only if the “new state” is created out of parts of more than one state.

Just my opinion but those semicolons are there for a reason.


57 posted on 07/15/2011 3:14:10 PM PDT by MissouriConservative (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - H. L Mencken)
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To: Slambat

I’d love to see it happen.


58 posted on 07/15/2011 4:27:15 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: MissouriConservative

But the precedent is already there, Kentucky was formed from Virginia, Maine was the Maine District of Massachussets, West Virginia was formed from Virginia (with the approval of a rump Unionist Virginia Legislature). You can carve up a State, as long as the State’s legislature and the Congress approve.


59 posted on 07/15/2011 5:24:59 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: Gator113

I’m not mad at you! But I really feel that somehow the state is worth saving. I know it looks absolutely IMPOSSIBLE right now, but George Washington wasn’t looking at an easy fight either. It behooves us to at least try and fight. We may need serious help from Above though...


60 posted on 07/15/2011 6:47:30 PM PDT by Yaelle
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