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To: FredZarguna; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :” The “19 polls” summary you cite is from a very left-wing web site, which misrepresents a good number of these polls, many of which do NOT EVEN ASK THE QUESTION about whether the respondent favors taxes. In many cases, the question is: do you believe higher taxes will be necessary? So please, don't just quote Lefties as if they tell the truth.

There have been other polls posted here since the Ryan plan was proposed. If you have one you like you should post a link so we call all see it. .

Last year the poll questions were like :
Do you think taxes should be raised in a bad economy

This year with cut proposals the questions are :
Which is better to cut the deficit, raise taxes on the rich, OR CUT MEDICARE???

Those two results are like day and night. I dont want a bad surprise when this doesnt work out as we would wish.

No tax increase ever raise revenue? I hope you don't buy that. Some do and some don't. Reagan cut some taxes and he raised others. None of those taxes raised that Reagan signed raised revenue? I can prove that wrong, it depends on the tax and the timing. Now those loophole tax increases Obama proposed clearly wont raise much revenue. But they are designed to be politically popular. They were probably poll tested and is a very cynical proposal.

122 posted on 07/15/2011 12:17:09 PM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: sickoflibs
No tax increase ever raise revenue? I hope you don't buy that. Some do and some don't.

You were inattentive. The web site you reference claims that tax increases raise revenue. I claimed that this statement was counterfactual when made across the board: in other words, it holds in full generality no more than the claim that no tax increase raises revenue. As you correctly point out, some do and some don't.

The mathematics of this is trivial: at 0% tax, there is no revenue. At 100% tax, there is also none after the initial taking. Revenue over time as a function of tax rate is not identically zero, yet it is zero at the end points. Therefore by Rolle's Theorem there exists a point (rate) between zero and 100% where revenue is maximized. When you are to the right of this point in a right-handed coordinate system, decreasing the rate raises revenue, when to the left, increasing rates raise revenue. The purveyour of your cited website actually believes that raising rates always increase revenue. This is mathematically impossible.

Like you, I am not sanguine about the effect of Ryan's plan on electoral outcomes. That is a shame because it means that either Republicans must get better at making people understand that we must cut entitlements or the Republic is finished. What I pointed out to you, quite correctly, is that the poll results do not favor the Democrats proposals to anything like the degree that you claim that "19 polls show Americans favor raising taxes." They simply don't. Most of the polls cited as notes added in proof of the statement by this misleading website do not even ask that question.

In response to your challenge, I have cited the two most recent polls on this issue. They show that the majority of Americans -- and overwhelming majorities of Republicans and Independents -- understand that spending is the largest part of the problem. Contrary to what you said in your original post, these polls are not altogether bad news for us.

143 posted on 07/15/2011 1:18:10 PM PDT by FredZarguna (If you believe that only eyewitness to murder constitutes proof, you are being unreasonably stupid.)
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