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Totals Stimulus Package Cost To Broadband Rural Areas: $349,000/home. $7,000,000/home In Montana!
Huckabee Show on FNC | Huckabee

Posted on 07/10/2011 6:26:20 PM PDT by MindBender26

On FNC, Gov Huckabee just revealed the cost to you and me to bring Broadband internet service to rural areas through Obama's Stimulus package. It was $349,000 per home, and you and I paid it!

In Montana, it was worse. The program made Broadband available to a total of 7 homes that did not have it available before, at a cost to you and me of $49,000,000. That's $7,000,000 per home.

The total cost was $7.2 BILLION... and we... and our kids... and their kids, paid the bill!

And does anyone doubt that Obama is trying to destroy America?


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KEYWORDS: broadband; internet; internets; ruralareas; stimulus; usf
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To: kittymyrib

Check out reply #27


41 posted on 07/10/2011 7:57:01 PM PDT by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: MindBender26
Something ain't right about this. I live pretty rural along upper Yukon, no road half the year. I still have dial up and it costs around 1500 to get a dish that is marginal at best.

More political lies; this time from the right.

42 posted on 07/10/2011 8:18:04 PM PDT by Eska
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Ditto. I’ve tried to get line of sight at the farm for the last two years... nada.

Rumor was that this program was to bolster the system in the area with another tower.

Another government FU.


43 posted on 07/10/2011 9:33:10 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: MindBender26

wow. And I thought verizon’s $80/month air card charge was alot of money!


44 posted on 07/10/2011 9:42:04 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: MindBender26

We lived about 30 miles east of Fresno, California, in the Sierra Nevada foothills. There is no cell phone service there and no high-speed internet. We figured out the answer to the problem ourselves — we got a satellite dish at a cost of about $99 per month. Pricey, but a lot less than $7m!! Sheesh! and this arrangement let us upgrade whenever it made sense.


45 posted on 07/10/2011 11:38:01 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Kieri

I had a big huge fight with WB when we were on satellite and got cut off completely for two weeks(!) I asked WHY in the WORLD we couldn’t get as much bandwidth as we wanted and were willing to pay for. After a lot of hemming and hawing the rep told me the Fed Gov limits how much they can sell to any individual user and that it MANDATES cutoff after violating the satellite Internet Terms of Service. I did NOT prompt her to blame the gov’t.


46 posted on 07/10/2011 11:47:51 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: apoliticalone
I’m not sure what this is saying. So should we keep the liberal NYC folk on the leading edge and on the dole, and put the rural people that work and pay the same taxes as everyone else in an ill informed special cage without roads or communications infrastructure just because it costs more?
As a rural American I believe that I have the same rights as every other American and deserve the same opportunities.

As a suburban American I have a right to cheap productive rural land with a house built on it to use for vacations and to bug out in case of collapse. The Federales should buy one for me for $100,000 and your taxes should pay for it

BTW if your fellow rural dwellers get their cooperative act together you can probably bring in a high speed wireless internet system to serve 10-20 families. Might even be Gov't grants for that.

47 posted on 07/10/2011 11:52:17 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: TigersEye

Of course you do!

We also deserve power restoration when high-density areas get theirs. Our roads should magically be snow plowed. Our gravel road pot holes should be there one day, then gone the next. We deserve mailboxes no more than 20 feet from our front doors. We also deserve to simply plop our trash outside and expect it to be gathered up and whisked away by the trash fairys once a week.

For “FREE.” We pay our taxes and have rights, too.


48 posted on 07/11/2011 12:27:43 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: Nickname

I knew it. We have rights, man! ;^)


49 posted on 07/11/2011 12:31:00 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: Eska

How do you figure the right is lying here?


50 posted on 07/11/2011 12:33:43 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: dennisw; dagogo redux; Onelifetogive; TigersEye; TwoSwords; I am bigjohn; Skip Ripley

Broadband has become as much about basic infrastructure in 2011, as dial phones were in the 1960s. It is needed before commercial growth can take place. It is as fundamental to growth as having roads and bridges.

You may not remember the “Bell System” which had a policy of universal service. But they understood that having a phone in every house was more important to the growth and strength of the entire nation, than just having phones in the profitable suburbs and cities. They lost money on the rural phone lines but they made it up on other business lines. It all worked out because it made nationwide opportunities and made us number one in world communications capability at that time.

The government rewarded them and their success by busting them up. They sent Bell Labs to France and millions of US manufacturing jobs to Asia and pushed the USA from leader in communications to its current second tier capability. S Korea and many others have better communications now than the USA.

We need to assure that basic infrastructure, the building block of opportunity and strengthening the nation (not arts museums, Statue of Liberty, and good restaurants) are available nationwide. Broadband has become basic infrastructure just as phone lines were 30 years ago. You cannot start and run a business without it.

Improving and rebuilding our national infrastructure is what should have been done with the stimulus money instead of giving it to politicians in states to get reelected.

I agree that the nationwide upgrade to broadband needs to be a priority, but prudently with common sense because we are not the same fiscally strong nation we were 30-40 years ago.


51 posted on 07/11/2011 5:27:38 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: TigersEye
Point is I see these type of remarks made by both sides, yet if one were to look deeper; usually I believe you would find the claims were stretches. Here in Alaska, I haven't seen much from this fed program. If it was such a good deal, don't you think every small power/phone company would be utilizing the program and we'd all have broadband?

I remember hearing about this program a few years back and thought, ya right see if it ever happens out here in bush Alaska, ha. It still costs 1500 to install sat internet & 150/month. Coming from someone that remembers DSL, but ain't ready to move back to an urban area for it, at no price.

52 posted on 07/11/2011 6:45:57 AM PDT by Eska
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To: MindBender26

Wasn’t the “Universal Service Fund” Algore cast the tiebreaking vote on supposed to cover all the rural internet charges? It’s been on phone bills for years. (see “USF”)


53 posted on 07/11/2011 11:01:43 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: apoliticalone
I agree that the nationwide upgrade to broadband needs to be a priority, but prudently with common sense ...

Which, by Huckabee's account of things, is entirely missing.

54 posted on 07/11/2011 11:17:26 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: MindBender26

Crooks!


55 posted on 07/11/2011 11:19:19 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: Eska

No, the point is that you laid blame on the “right” and I don’t see any evidence of that here. Huckabee is saying that the program is a monumental waste of money for the results which would explain perfectly why you haven’t seen much good from it. Where is any blame for the right in that?


56 posted on 07/11/2011 11:20:33 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: apoliticalone

Actually, Ma Bell split that up themselves. They split off equipment mfg., from service and gave Lucent the Labs.


57 posted on 07/11/2011 12:15:37 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: ngat

You obviously didn’t read the posts. See mine, #32.

Hughesnet formerly Directway has the same issues as Wildblue. Their only difference is how they cap and throttle their customers.


58 posted on 07/11/2011 8:38:35 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: dennisw

What ever happened to co-ops?? Back in the 50’s we lived in a very rural community with no phone service. The community got together and started a phone company for basicly cost.


59 posted on 07/11/2011 8:55:45 PM PDT by eastforker
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To: dennisw

On the idea of locally owned/municipal WISPs:

There are many around the country seeing various types of success. The local wimax guy is caught in red tape hell because our township can’t figure out how to zone a tower for commercial use rather than personal. And there’s another nasty flynin the ointment. It works like this:

1) Town X has around 2000 people. The council, mayor, etc. have heard from their citizens they want broadband access at home, schools, local businesses and so on.

2) Town X’s officials contact major ISP’s like Cox, Comcast, Verizon and so on but they’re given the same answer by all: it would cost too much money to deploy for such a small population. Town X appeals again but gets nowhere.

3) the Citizens then decide to create their own network using local dollars. They have the plans drawn up, contracts are negotiated, costs are determined and the residents are thrilled...and it all comes to a screeching halt.

4) One of the big ISP’s files a lawsuit, alleging that a governmental entity is acting in place of an existing corporation and using tax dollars to fund it. That they weren’t interested before doesn’t matter — they can afford the lawyers to keep deployment tied up for years.

It’s a mess that shouldn’t exist, but there it is.


60 posted on 07/11/2011 9:09:19 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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