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Not Guilty!
Townhall.com ^ | July 10, 2011 | Ken Connor

Posted on 07/10/2011 8:46:37 AM PDT by Kaslin

Casey Anthony's acquittal of the killing of her precious child, Caylee, has shocked the nation. Many who watched the trial on TV – and who were not constrained from taking into account inadmissible evidence, the punditry of various talking heads, or the overwhelming public sentiment against Ms. Anthony – have been critical of the jury's verdict. Among those most vehement in their condemnation of the jury are TV notables Bill O'Reilly and Nancy Grace. Their indignation is shared by those who feel the verdict represented a gross miscarriage of justice.

Cases like this call the value of trial by jury into question for some. But critics should take some important points into consideration: In American jurisprudence, an accused wrongdoer is presumed innocent. The burden is on the prosecution to prove guilt beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt. The jury is not permitted to consider evidence that doesn't reach a certain threshold of reliability and they aren't permitted to take into account matters outside the evidence. They aren't entitled to discuss the case among themselves, or even form an opinion about the case, until all the evidence is in. They can't discuss the case with anyone other than their fellow jurors, and if any reasonable doubt exists about the crime(s) charged, they cannot convict. It is not enough for the jury to "know" that the accused is guilty as charged. The charges must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. Most freedom loving people agree that these are important safeguards which must be met before one accused of a crime can be deprived of their life or liberty.

Trial by jury is not a recent phenomenon. It dates back over a thousand years, and its use has been documented in a variety of civilizations. The right to trial by jury has been particularly prominent in the American system of law and justice. When the Founders enumerated their grievances in the Declaration of Independence, King George's denial to the colonists of the right to trial by jury was in the forefront of their complaints. George Mason famously refused to sign the Constitution unless the right to trial by jury was made explicit. Thomas Jefferson made clear the value he placed on juries when he said, "I consider trial by jury as the only anchor yet imagined by man by which a government can be held to the principles of its Constitution." Its importance is highlighted by the fact that the right to trial by jury is expressly referenced in not one, but three of the amendments that comprise the Bill of Rights.

As Americans, we tend to take the right to trial by jury for granted; but it should not difficult to imagine the horror of living in a society in which the State possesses absolute power. Millions of people around the world live in societies that don't allow for trial by jury. When they are accused of wrongdoing, they aren't afforded an opportunity to defend themselves. No jury of their peers decides their guilt or innocence. Their lives and freedom are subject to the whims of those who hold power. Their tribunals – if they exist at all – are mere kangaroo courts which serve only as an eye wash. "Verdict first, trial later" is their modus operandi. Even here in America there was a time when perverted justice prevailed, when the word of a single white man could spell death for a politically and legally powerless African American.

This is why the right to trial by jury is essential.

Our Founding Fathers recognized that the collective judgment of ordinary people, while not perfect, is the most reliable, most just method of resolving conflicts in America's courtrooms. Does the jury system and its protections mean that sometimes the guilty will go free? The answer is yes. Alan Dershowitz addressed this in a recent article discussing the Casey Anthony verdict:

"For thousands of years, Western society has insisted that it is better for 10 guilty defendants to go free than for one innocent defendant to be wrongly convicted. This daunting standard finds its roots in the biblical story of Abraham's argument with God about the sinners of Sodom. Abraham admonishes God for planning to sweep away the innocent along with the guilty and asks Him whether it would be right to condemn the sinners of Sodom if there were 10 or more righteous people among them. God agrees and reassures Abraham that he would spare the city if there were 10 righteous. From this compelling account, the legal standard has emerged."

A justice system that allows for the possibility of the guilty going free is undoubtedly unpalatable for those who wish to see Caylee Anthony's death avenged, but it is a standard that recognizes and upholds the notion that life and liberty should not be deprived without due process of law. It's not a perfect system, but none better has yet been devised by man.


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KEYWORDS: anthony; caylee; verdict
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To: discostu
It is NOT insulting.   Yeah, it is.

Pointing out a NORMAL human incident that EVERY SINGLE PERSON that has EVER walked the face of the earth for more than a few years has experienced, INCLUDING ME, is NOT insulting to anyone EVER.  If that's not what you meant, let me know.   Okay, so it's your opinion that every single person that has ever walked the face of the earth for more than a few years, has forgotten that juries don't have the same information they do.  Well..., okay then.  I'm glad you cleared that up.  I see a few holes in that premise, but I'm sure you'd deny them anyway.

It’s like pointing out that people go to the can. Not an insult.  True.  I'd just look at you like you were an idiot if you said it.  It's not a matter for important intellectual discussion.  I think you could have come up with better examples, but the more they actually resembled the dynamics we're discussing, the closer they would come to becoming insulting.

Unless someone desperately wants everything said to be an insult.  Slandering a broad spectrum of the public because they don't agree with your point of view, is not something that should be allowed to take place and not be addressed.  It is an attempt to dismiss their views as not-valid.  It is an attempt to destroy their credibity.  It is an attempt to take away their voice.  As a Conservative, I believe it's our duty to address certain concepts and defend what we believe to be taking place.  We're not always going to see eye to eye.  That's unfortunate, but it's life.

Like you.  I take offense at a broad spectrum of people being labelled, categorized, and their conclusions dismissed without a hearing on the merits of their conclusions alone, and how they came to those conclusions.  If those conclusions were come to with evidence not available to the jury, then discuss it on point.  Invalidate the persons conclusions on a valid premise.  Don't just blanketly dismiss everyone who came to a certain conclusion, as if they couldn't possibly be right.  That's not what Conservatives do.

We’re done. It’s over, I will not be reading another post from you on this threat under any circumstance. you want to be mad, go ahead, be mad, at yourself for acting like a complete ass.

I did get pretty upset with the denial, the refusal to deal with the concepts I presented, the missing responses on point to observations that I made.  That doesn't mean that I won't value your contributions on another thread.  It doesn't mean that I'm going to bring up this thread anywhere else.

I don't think that having an opinion and trying to explain why I did, what motivated me, and why I thought it was an important concept to discuss, makes me out to be an ass.

I appreciate your attempt to defend your point of view.  Thank you.

261 posted on 07/12/2011 2:03:13 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (F me, you, everybody, the new Dem/Pubie compromise. No debt reduction, + wild spending forever...)
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To: mlo

See look, straight from one of the juror’s mouths:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/casey_anthony_trial/casey-anthony-jury-suspicious-george-anthony-trial/story?id=14050196
“As with other jurors who have been interviewed, the foreman said the panel was unconvinced by the evidence that Casey Anthony, 25, murdered her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee — and was not even certain that a murder was committed.

“We don’t know the cause of death,” the juror said. “Everything was speculation.” “

See that’s what happens when you can’t manage to list a cause of death. Without cause of death it could have been an accident, without cause of death you don’t have an active verb, without cause of death everything is speculation. Speculation doesn’t give you “beyond a reasonable doubt”.


262 posted on 07/12/2011 2:07:21 PM PDT by discostu (Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn)
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To: mlo

In a way, it’s sort of like when a new heavenly object is first detected.

You can’t actually see it, but you know it’s there.

You see it’s gravitational impact on it’s neighbors.

You may even see light distorted from other objects farther away than it is.

Taking all the evidence into consideration, it’s there.

In the Casey Anthony case, in the end, only one person could have done it. When she said it was an accident, after making other claims prior to that, the gig was up. Whatever happened, happened at her hand. You couple that with not wanting the police involved. You check the condition of the body. You realize what her social activity was, the celebratory nature of it, the tattoo. Looking up information just prior to the kid’s disappearance.

In the end, there’s simply no other conclusion to be had.

I think of it like little spheres circling Casey, each showing the influence of her gravitational pull. At a certain point, the conclusion is obvious without a shadow of a doubt.


263 posted on 07/12/2011 2:16:33 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (F me, you, everybody, the new Dem/Pubie compromise. No debt reduction, + wild spending forever...)
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To: mlo

I should have added one more thought.

You also notice an important observation at some point, that all those objects floating around Casey, aren’t floating around anyone else. None of them.


264 posted on 07/12/2011 2:18:56 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (F me, you, everybody, the new Dem/Pubie compromise. No debt reduction, + wild spending forever...)
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To: mlo
It's obvious you get this, but some other people sure don't.

This gets to be rather absurd actually.  Think people, think!


Scenario/reaction


Dad kills Kaylee, you call the police
Mom kills Kaylee, you call the police
Ex-husband kills Kaylee, you call the police
Neighbor kills Kaylee, you call the police
Baby-sitter kills Kaylee, you call the police
Stranger kills Kaylee, you call the police
You don't know who killed Kaylee, you call the police
Kaylee dies of accidental drowning, you call 911 and the police
Kaylee dies of some other accident, you call 911 and the police

You kill Kaylee...  (insert the sound of a needle skipping groves across the album)


Could the exact time exhonerate Casey?

Under the scenario Casey claimed, no.  It was an accident.

Would it make a difference if the accident took place at 12:01 am?
Would it make a difference if the accident took place at 09:01 am?
Would it make a difference if the accident took place at any other time of the day?

You kill Kaylee...  (insert the sound of a needle skipping groves across the album)


Does it actually affect what you do in these cases if the method is different?

If she died by strangulation, would it change the reaction?
If she died of gunshot, would it change the reaction?
If she died of a dog mauling, would it change the reaction?
If she died in her sleep, would it change the reaction?
If she died in the pool, would it change the reactions?
If her throat were slit, would it change the reaction?
If she were hit by a car, would it change the reaction?
If she fell off a counter, would it change the reaction?
If she fell off her bike, would it change the raction?
If she died in her sleep, would it change the reaction?

You kill Kaylee...  (insert sound of needle skipping groves across the album)


She claims it was an accident... and what happened?

(insert sound of needle skipping groves across the album)


Murder one Danno.

265 posted on 07/12/2011 2:50:52 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (F me, you, everybody, the new Dem/Pubie compromise. No debt reduction, + wild spending forever...)
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