New poll finds that Rick Perry would trounce Ron Paul, other GOP presidential contenders in Texas

Houston Chronicle ^ | July 8, 2011 | not stated

[truthfreedom]

I wish the Perry hypesters would go away.

Perry is also a Globalist.

[truthfreedom]

Perry is so divisive here on FR. Palin, for our sake, should just get in. I’m not saying she needs to get in right away for her sake, but to keep people from tearing at each other, especially freepers ripping the Perry people to shreds.

[truthfreedom]

Perry was a cheerleader in college, is that the record you’re talking about?

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In the last Texas governor’s race, the “white” Republican candidate, Rick Perry (BTW, isn’t Perry a common
Melungeon name?) was darker complected than the “minority” Democrat candidate, Tony Sanchez,
who was very obviously of the Caucasian race, with fair skin, blue eyes, and, at a younger age, light brown hair.

[Babu]

That McPerry dewd has better hair than that McRomney dood ... that must be it ... you know ... substantive issues.

[Clairity]

Ronald Reagan had good hair too, is that a problem?

No Perry fans bring up his hair, they bring up his conservative record. Only those who are trying to find negatives and suddenly it's a negative to have a full head of hair.

[cumbo78]

Wait for the first debate involving Thad McCotter. He’s the ONLY Republican candidate who can ARTICULATE the Conservative message. The rest are “sound bite” candidates who answer in generalities and platitudes. I’d pay money to see McCotter debate Pres. Obama just so I could see someone from the University of Detroit completely destroy someone who (allegedly) went to Columbia and Harvard.

[achilles2000]

Anybody in Tx knows Perry would trounce Paul. I am fascinated that a news organization would consider this “news”.

Still, I hope Paul stays in the race. He raises important issues that need to be raised and gets younger people to pay attention to market-based ideas.

Prediction: Perry/Bachman. BTW, Perry is NOT my first choice, and I hope someone more consistently conservative catches fire.

[truthfreedom]

There’s most certainly a scenario for Ron Paul to win.

All he has to do is win the tea party primary.

I’m not saying that’s easy, but Paul will beat Bachmann, if it gets to that. I’m not saying that’s how it would go.

If Palin is in, Palin wins. I’m a Paul supporter, but Palin is the most popular and the most famous candidate. She’s so popular and so famous because she’s so good at campaigning. The media covers Palin looking like she’s campaigning. Imagine the 24/7 coverage when she does run. Unstoppable.
That’s at least the most likely scenario.

But if Palin didn’t run, the task for Paul is to emerge from the pack of tea party candidates and win. Polls can and do change, and none of the other particular tea party candidates are particularly strong or without clear flaws.

Ron Paul is running, running hard. Only Romney raised more money than Paul in the 2nd quarter. So he’s well funded early, and the game plan this time around includes a lot more activity. But sometimes it seems like he’s running to be Palin’s VP and not the President. He should know that he has the background to be able to say that he is more tea party than any, and he really should be pushing that idea, instead of trying to be liked by independents and democrats.
To win the primaries, you have to appeal to the Republican base. Some of the things he says, Democrats and Indies like and Republicans don’t. Say the things the Republicans like now, and the things the Democrats like if you get the nomination. The logical reason Ron Paul would be seeming to target Dems and Indies now is to show Sarah that he, and only he among the other candidates, can bring in types of Indies and Dems that Sarah might need to win.

This PPP poll was finished up over a week ago. The same poll which showed Rick ahead in TX (way to go gov, you’re a sitting governor, people are saying how electable you are, and you get only 1/3 of Republicans. How’s Mitt doing in Mass?), is the poll that showed Perry losing to Obama by 2, and Paul beating Obama by 5. In Texas, it could be hard for Paul to beat Perry, but Paul is 7 points stronger against Obama than Perry is. Strange that Ron Paul brings electability to the ticket, but he does. He does bring in Independents and Democrats that currently aren’t loving Palin.

[truthfreedom]

Prediction: not Perry/Bachmann
not a Prediction, but I would like: Palin/Paul

This PPP poll is the same poll from last week that had
Obama vs the candidates.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_629513.pdf

And Paul beat Obama 45/40 and
Obama beat Perry 47/45

What this means is that in Texas, Ron Paul and Rick Perry would each get 45% against Obama. But of the 15% undecided,
7% went to Obama when he was running against Perry, but 0% went to Obama when he was running against Paul.

That segment of the undecideds (7%) are keeping an open mind about Paul, and have ruled out Perry.

Perry has high negatives in Texas. 52%. Perry is a polarizing figure.

[newzjunkey]

Err... didn’t PPP just have a poll out saying Perry would LOSE Texas to Obama?

[truthfreedom]

I’m looking forward to seeing McCotter myself.

Just did research on him. I’m doing timelines for the candidates, here’s what I have so far.

bachmann born 1956
hs 1974
college 1978
law 1988
irs 88-93
babysit 93-00
failed school board 1999
state sen 00-06
us rep 06-12

palin born 1964
hs 1982
miss wasilla 1984
college 1987
sportscaster 1988
married todd helped with commercial fishing biz 1988
wasilla city council 1992
mayor wasilla 1996
alaska oil and gas 2003
gov alaska 2006
vp 08

roemer born 1943
governor louisiana 1988
hs 60
harvard 64
harvard mba 67
computers banking 67-80
us rep 80

mccotter born 65
hs83
u detroit87
u detroit law 90
private law practice 90
wayne county commissioner 92
state senate 98
us rep 02

McCotter’s resume is better than Bachmann’s and he’s 9 years younger. Michele does have high likeability and has memorized key phrases like “one term President” that Republicans like. She’s also the prettiest in the house to put on a coat of tea party paint. She seems more like a socon to me.

[Bringbackthedraft]

I still would back Palin over any other. Considering the short exposure time “She” had in the last election, she did well against Obama. Its unfortunate she didn’t get to choose her running mate at the time, who in my opinion was an anchor around her neck. Without her former running mate on the ticket, I see her doing very well, but not in the big cities where the MSM resides. Who, knows, maybe during a debate she can trap Obama into moving close to her space and get the support of Behar, Cokie, Whoopie, Barbara and all the NOW hags. ;^)

[achilles2000]

I know Perry has high negatives in Texas (I have expressed many negative views on Perry), but so does RP. We’ll see what happens.

[truthfreedom]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_TX_629513.pdf

yup. ron paul gets what perry gets in texas (45%), but of the 15% undecided, 7% go to Obama against Perry, 0%

Another way to put it is this: Ron Paul holds the Republican base in TX as well as Perry (45%). I guess there aren’t that many Republicans who’d vote for Obama instead of Paul.
But 7% of dems and indies will consider Paul and will not consider Perry.

It’s an easy analysis. Perry is more popular with the Republicans in TX than Paul. Paul is more popular with Indies and Dems, which makes him more electable.

[Ditter]

Ron Paul is not electable, sorry, he is a nut. He has a nutty group that follows him around, votes in the polls but he does not have broad support.

When he starts talking people start laughing and he is not trying to be funny.

I wish he would go back to delivering babies, he was a good doctor.

[WOSG]

“Perry??? He is the best of the worst....a slightly more conservative RINO but a RINO none the less.”

Yes, he has RINO tendencies, but as a pro-gun pro-life, pro-traditional marriage, fiscal conservative who enacted tort reform, supported conservatives in state education posts, let death penalty go forward in Texas, and just signed voter ID bill, and who twice balanced tough budgets without raising taxes, keeping Texas very pro-business, fought EPA rules and spoke against global warming regs, said no to ‘race to the top’ funding and stood up for the 10th amendment, etc. if you are calling that a RINO, well ....
just about any elected conservative Republican would be a ‘RINO’.

He’s not for union card check like McCotter, and his record is more conservative than Palin’s was as Governor.
Bachmann and Cain are probably more conservative, but dont have the executive governor experience to prove it.

[truthfreedom]

Well, that’s what a lot of people here say.

The dynamics of the race could favor Ron Paul.

Palin wins going away, let’s just assume that.

But if she doesn’t run, you have Bachmann, Cain, Paul.

What many people think, right now, is that Bachmann beats Paul. They’re looking at polls and saying Bachmann vs Romney.

But Bachmann’s resume is really, just so weak, and the mockery possibly around the corner with Marcus is so potentially terrible that she is just not going to make it.
Bachmann’s out with or without Palin. That’s Cain vs Paul then for the tea party slot. You sure that Cain beats Paul? Ron Paul is on the way to getting everything squared away. There are a good number of staff on the ground in Iowa. Ron Paul raised more money than anyone except Romney last quarter.

I’m not going to say that your theory and the conventional wisdom isn’t true. We don’t know. There could be some sort of “hard cap” on Ron Paul, we don’t know yet.

Ron Paul resume is quite nice. No flaws. Has some unique and good features.

So, if Ron Paul gets by Cain, he’ll likely get unified tea party support. And we saw last year that tea party is mighty. I will not say that it would be easy for Ron Paul to beat Mitt Romney head to head. Romney has some advantages. But Ron Paul would have unified tea party support, because “stop the RINO”.

[truthfreedom]

Must have 2 Rons

[truthfreedom]

All of Rick Perry’s pictures from that era are with Al Gore.

You’d think that if Perry liked Reagan so much he wouldn’t have waited until Rove asked him to switch to Republican.

[cumbo78]

In a debate, McCotter will make any opponent look like a “one legged man in a butt kicking contest”