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Posted on 07/06/2011 7:03:23 PM PDT by cableguymn
Not sure if posting the story is ok. (kinda new to posting)
http://bigjournalism.com/tag/debt-talks/
Just a huge misunderstanding, I’m sure. Here’s the other one.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2744951/posts
You could write up a story a year in advanced titled “republicans cave”
Disagree. Income tax is fair ONLY if everyone pays it and almost 50% do not. User taxes are paid by EVERYONE. How much they pay depends on how much of the product/service they use.
While I agree adding user fees constitutes an additional cost of living it is nonetheless the fairest way to increase revenue.
The most fair would be to see that everyone paid income tax even if it were just 1 or 2% at the low end.
Here is the most updated list of news sources that are NOT allowed on FR.
It's nice to know I'm not alone. Isn't it odd how some of the generation raised on the ridiculous self-esteem movement are afraid to use the word "I"?
Since I do not believe that the federal government needs additional revenue at all, it's hard to say what would be a 'fair' way to increase revenue. A 'fair' way to shift the burden would be to start by eliminating the massive refunds that so many enjoy. And it's not '50% do not' pay taxes, everyone pays taxes in one form or another - that $1.25 candy bar is bought from a store that pays taxes, a distributor that pays taxes, and a company that makes it that pays taxes, and all those layers of taxes is built into the price of the candy. If you're talking purely income tax, a great many simply don't file their taxes - even if by law they could get back everything they've paid in federal income taxes through their payroll (plus a few grand more thanks to the tax credits). That same person is still paying 7% of their income in social security taxes, not to mention contributions to SDI, etc, that aren't up for refunds.
User fees are a cop out. It's called 'we're too afraid to actually cut the stuff we can't afford, so we're going to 'share the pain' with the little person by nickle and diming them with fees for services already paid for from taxes. Which means fees to access public land, fees to comply with federal laws, and it's all being wrapped up in the idea that 'well, you're causing the cost in the first place...'
It's a wrongheaded approach, the causality is inside out - a national park fee is a fee to access land that the people own through their government, who has decided to limit access based upon fees and many abstract rulings and decisions, under the misnomer that accessing that which the public owns is some kind of privilege. If the federal government wasn't spending money it didn't have and giving it away, then there wouldn't be a need for the fee in the first place.
If you took every revenue enhancement and user fee that they're likely thinking of, and then compared it to the cost of say the Labor Department, or if they were really going to go hard core, the cost of the Education department, they'd likely be equal. So let's save everyone the time and trouble (not to mention more federal workers hired to receive and process these user fees) and just shut down those two departments we can't afford.
Because, at the end of the day, we're 1.6 trillion dollars over budget. That's over $4,000 for every person in the US. The government doesn't need more fees, they need to stop spending the dang money they don't have.
Exactly, wasn’t a surprise at all, just perhaps premature.
Good analogy.
I believe you well know I meant income tax when I mentioned almost 50% in America pay no tax.
That said the candy bar or sales taxes are local and not to be confused with the Fed tax in income. I realize ther are Fed taxes on gasoline but they are a user tax which i still believe is the fairest of them all.
I also believe there is a spending problem but curing 50 years of idiocy in Washington cannot happen overnight and a consistent program of spending cuts along with what could be temporary increases in revenue from a user tax is IMO the best way and fairest over all.
Or, like betting the farm.
I’d be ok with some use fees. Like fees to use the parks, or fees to recycle, use fees for the museums..especially the more artsy fartsy ones. Make them liberals pay for their freebies.
“...Failure to file is a Federal Felony, fine and imprisonment.....”
Oh, you mean the VOLUNTARY income tax???
Yep that's the one.
Just like "fee" is simply another spelling of "tax", "voluntary" is another spelling of "mandatory", so says the IRS.
And we know the government would never lie to us.
And we know that RINO Kyl would never lie to us either, don't we?
In case you never saw it or forget, Reuters was exclusively the ONLY media allowed by the Mullahs to video and photograph and report on the mass executions a few years back where some 18 or so anti-Islamic Iran regime persons were set up on long L-shaped workbench type platforms in a prison and hanged in one mass set of being pushed off (platform pulled out from under them) - to choke to death - not by broken neck falls.
This special permission from the regime has tainted Reuters in my mind ever since. The mass hanging was publicized (via Reuters) to fighten/chill other opponents.
None of this savagery has ever even dented Obama’s obstinate decision to suppport the suffering populace instead of the brutal Mullah regime (far more of them killed in the streets than in Libya, Egypt or Tunisia PUT TOGETHER).
And now expanded to supporting Syria’s Iran driven brutal suppression of protests, special accomodation and BIASED SUPPORT for the terrorist spawning (Al Qaeda, HAMAS, Hezbollah, “CAIR”) Moslem Brotherhood, giving them and Islam in general, special privileges before the law and abusing our Constitution to achieve this via Eric Holder.
INDEED.
Thanks for the post and ping to this thread. GOOD thread. Thanks to all posters.
DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.
I saw Kyl’s comments too. Two words: “Tax Expenditures.” What does that mean to you?
“Made a mistake? Or were they hacked?
The problem is it’s so like the Republicans to cave.
That’s why I believed it anyway.
And I still expect them to cave......”
I got a feeling in my gut that this was a leftist effort to sabotage the republican base.
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