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Social Services Beg for Money in Minn. Shutdown
Post-Bulletin Company ^ | Jul 05, 2011 | Post-Bulletin Company

Posted on 07/06/2011 3:31:44 AM PDT by Son House

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Instead of Democrats writing legislation to raise tax rates and persuading others of passing it;

1.Hold up funding for everything else, 2.pit Americans against each other in class warfare, 3. have the media pass guilt trip articles, ...until you can get your way

1 posted on 07/06/2011 3:31:48 AM PDT by Son House
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There is probably enough administrative waste that would pay for these programs for years. Since when is it the State of Minnesota’s responsibility to care for those with eating disorders?


2 posted on 07/06/2011 3:58:23 AM PDT by Shady (Capitalism works for men who do. Socialism works for men who donÂ’t The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Son House
A state district court judge has ordered programs essential to life, health and public safety to continue during the shutdown

And we all know that includes a whole host of social service programs. Even in "public safety," it includes bloated police admin salaries and overtime. The courts are usurping the legislature.

The Welfare State has many, many ways to keep the spending binge going even if the legislature tries to stop it. Like HAL in "2001: A Space Odyssey," it may have been created by Man, but has become a malignant force in and of itself.

3 posted on 07/06/2011 4:04:55 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: Shady; 2ndDivisionVet; ButThreeLeftsDo; neverdem; Tax-chick
That's nothing.

Here are some real live elements of past Minnesota spending bills.

(Not all the bills were passed, but they were all in legitimate spending bills.)

S.F. No. 2089, 3rd Engrossment - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on May 06, 2007

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF2089&ssn=0&y=2007 (Page 2865 of the Journal of the Senate, 20070504062-1.pdf)

$31,500,000 for the Minnesota Minerals 21st Century Fund.

What is the Minnesota Minerals 21 century fund?

$250,000 each year of the biennium to teach non-English speaking immigrants how to speak English, and job skills.

A good idea, but shouldn't we require English and job skills BEFORE letting them into the U.S. ?

$150,000 to St. Louis County for the Duluth Depot (see below).

$150,000 to restore battle flags in the State Capitol. Isn't this a bit steep for dry-cleaning...? Or is there more to it?

$100,000 for the Treaty Site History Center in St. Peter. What treaty? Were we invaded by Saskatchewan?

Not spending, but a detailed legal definition of hair braiding and license requirements.

Shouldn't we be worrying about creating jobs rather than red tape?

H.F. No. 380, 4th Engrossment - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008)

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=HF0380&ssn=0&y=2008 (Page 2865 of the Journal of the Senate, 20080402098.pdf)

$20,000 to replace the roof of the potato inspection unit building located at 312 Fourth Avenue Northeast in East Grand Forks.

Shouldn't Ore-Ida or McDonalds be paying for this?

$125,000 to predesign the renovation of Building 189 located within the Rice Creek Corridor in Ramsey County, formerly the Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant, to serve as a regional, multiuse recreational amateur sports facility, to be known as the Metro North Regional Sports Facility.

(is this contaminated?)

This next one is my favorite in the whole 2007-2008 biennium:

$11,000,000 for a grant to the city of St. Paul to predesign, design, construct, furnish, and equip Phase 2 renovation of the polar bear and gorilla exhibits at the Como Zoo.

Polar bears are great, so are gorillas. But isn't $11 MILLION a little spendy?

Couldn't we just house them in the potato inspection building instead?

S.F. No. 3651, as introduced - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Mar 10, 2008

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF3651&ssn=0&y=2008

1.5 Section 1. [32.416] SOMATIC CELL COUNT, GOAT MILK. 1.6Notwithstanding any federal standard incorporated by reference in this chapter, the 1.7maximum allowable somatic cell count for raw goat milk is 1,500,000 cells per milliliter.

Again, not a cost, but a regulation. Who counts the cells in the raw goat milk?

And who cares, anyway? Let's just Pasteurize it and get it over with.

S.F. No. 3165, 2nd Engrossment - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Mar 25, 2008

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF3165&ssn=0&y=2008

A bill for an act relating to agriculture; establishing requirements for practicing animal chiropractic care;amending Minnesota Statutes 2006, sections 148.01, subdivision 1, by adding subdivisions; 156.12, subdivision 2; proposing coding for new law in Minnesota Statutes, chapter 148.

Yes, *animal* chiropractic. For when Bessie gets too carried away during the cow-tipping...

S.F. No. 599, as introduced - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Feb 06, 2007

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF0599&ssn=0&y=2007 doc 22070430058.pdf

A resolution urging the President and Congress to end trade, financial, and travel restrictions to Cuba.

Liberalizing trade with Cuba -- which I guess means Cuban Cigars! But I thought 2nd-hand smoke was bad!

S.F. No. 345, 3rd Engrossment - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Apr 27, 2007

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF0345&ssn=0&y=2007 doc 20070503061.pdf

Subd. 21. Medical use of marijuana data. Data collected by the commissioner of health relating to registrations for the medical use of marijuana are classified in section 152.25, subdivision 5.

Legalizing marijuana for medical uses. I think they misunderstood the old Blue Oyster Cult Song, "Don't Fear the Reefer..."

S.F. No. 87, as introduced - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Jan 11, 2007

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF0087&ssn=0&y=2007 doc 20070116005.pdf, referred to Committee on Agriculture and Veterans.

Section 1. Minnesota Statutes 2006, section 41C.02, subdivision 10, is amended to read: Subd. 10. Farming. "Farming" means the cultivation of land for the production of agricultural crops, the raising of poultry, the production of eggs, the production of milk, the production of fruit or other horticultural crops, grazing, the production of livestock, aquaculture, hydroponics, the bottling of spring water, or the production of forest products.

I'll bet you didn't know that bottled water is now considered 'farming'.

S.F. No. 2157, 2nd Engrossment - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on Mar 28, 2007

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF2157&ssn=0&y=2007 doc 20070328039.pdf

$485,000 for six miles of snowmobile trail.

S.F. No. 1997, 3rd Engrossment - 85th Legislative Session (2007-2008) Posted on May 07, 2007

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/revisor/pages/search_status/status_detail.php?b=Senate&f=SF1997&ssn=0&y=2007 doc 20070504062-2.pdf.

$14 million in new tax enforcement hoping to squeeze $42 million out of taxpayers.

In another section, $5 million in accounts receivable management hoping to get $60 million.

Blood out of a stone.

Cheers!

4 posted on 07/06/2011 4:17:28 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Shady

“There is probably enough administrative waste that would pay for these programs for years. Since when is it the State of Minnesota’s responsibility to care for those with eating disorders?”

Just out of curiosity, do you know how much it costs to treat a kid with a eating disorder. Better yet, if you pay thousands of dollars to insurance companies for coverage then they say no do you know-how much it costs out of pocket?

I am not suggesting the state should pay. I am suggesting insurance companies should cover it.


5 posted on 07/06/2011 4:22:11 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Save the planet, destroy the MSM)
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To: Shady

Actually the program is private, all they want is an inspection by state people so they can open.

Cancel all state regulations, then the place can open, no problem.


6 posted on 07/06/2011 4:22:15 AM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Son House

It’s getting hard to imagine how this Country managed to survive without all these cradle-to-grave services.


7 posted on 07/06/2011 4:25:38 AM PDT by radioone (How Can an Obscure Guy Who Did Diddly Squat in the Senate Become President?)
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“the Emily Program had planned to open a second in-patient facility for people with serious eating disorders later this month”.

...well then, pass the potatoes!


8 posted on 07/06/2011 4:31:11 AM PDT by albie
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

How does a judge get this authority...


9 posted on 07/06/2011 4:49:38 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Son House

Dear God....

What did the people do 200 years ago when there was no such thing as ‘food stamps’ or other socialist services? Did they just lay down and die in the streets from starvation and lack of healthcare? While I’m SURE it might have happened in SOME cases, by and large, surely not.....


10 posted on 07/06/2011 4:52:47 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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Who counts the cells in the raw goat milk?

A unionized state goat-milk inspector, under strictly controlled conditions that probably double the price of goat's milk, for those who want it, and result in considerable wastage due to his mandated holidays, coffee breaks, and psychiatrist visits.

More than half the items mentioned in the article would be eliminated if people didn't need government approval for just about everything but breathing. Here's a thought, agencies and municipalities: tell the state to freep itself and run your operation anyway. If they're shut down, how will they stop you?

11 posted on 07/06/2011 4:53:53 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("This is a revolution, damn it! We're going to have to offend somebody!" ~ John Adams)
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To: Son House

a Customer of mine does electrical work. I asked him last night how they are getting inspections since the state is shut down.

His reply

“simple, we call him directly on his cell phone! He knows there is going to be a huge back log if nothing gets down, he also knows he’ll get paid for the time the gov is shut down.”

You just have to know how to get around the BS to get to the needed inspector and have him come out and sign off I guess.


12 posted on 07/06/2011 4:56:14 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: ken5050; Opinionated Blowhard

Good question. Instead of whining to a probably illegitimate court proceeding, the petitioners should pressure their elected leaders. As it is, they are actually facilitating the problem.


13 posted on 07/06/2011 4:57:26 AM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: GatorGirl
Actually the program is private, all they want is an inspection by state people so they can open.

Cancel all state regulations, then the place can open, no problem.


-- Or --

Charge those who want the service the value of it.
14 posted on 07/06/2011 4:59:17 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: grey_whiskers

Minnesota government has always been gold plated.


15 posted on 07/06/2011 5:07:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: Son House

Hutchinson, pop. 14,178, requires a 22 officer police department? Whatever for?


16 posted on 07/06/2011 5:10:48 AM PDT by laredo44 (Liberty is not the problem)
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To: grey_whiskers
Let's go through a few of these:

$150,000 to St. Louis County for the Duluth Depot (see below).

The Depot hosts several significant Duluth tourist attractions and is home to, among other places, the St. Louis County Historical Society and Duluth's Veterans Memorial Hall. Parts of it are being renovated as funds permit.

$150,000 to restore battle flags in the State Capitol. Isn't this a bit steep for dry-cleaning...? Or is there more to it?

As I understand it, some of the banners date back to the Civil War. Restoration of some of those artifacts isn't cheap.

$125,000 to predesign the renovation of Building 189 located within the Rice Creek Corridor in Ramsey County, formerly the Twin Cities Army Ammunition Plant, to serve as a regional, multiuse recreational amateur sports facility, to be known as the Metro North Regional Sports Facility. (is this contaminated?)

If they made ammunition there, the place is more than likely a brownfield. This is near the area they're talking about placing a Vikings stadium and substantial abatement is needed before anything can be built there.

However, your general premise is iron-clad. Jobs are a priority and there are a ton of things my state government ought not to fund. They, like the Federal government, should get out of the way and let the private sector do what it does best.

17 posted on 07/06/2011 5:23:50 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Mr. Romney and Mr. Obama are not rivals, they're running mates." - Rep. Thaddeus McCotter)
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To: Son House

“open a second in-patient facility for people with serious eating disorders later this month. “

Only in America would people starve themselves on purpose and get treatment for it. We don’t need a facility. Drop them into an African country where there is real famine and let them fend for themselves.


18 posted on 07/06/2011 5:32:36 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Son House

Eating disorder clinics. Indian intervention centers. Licensing for hairdressers and manicurists. If these were shut down forever, I don’t think anyone but a handful of the Mooch Classes would even notice.

But we’re supposed to wring our hands and tear out our hair for the poor and unfortunate ...

Let me tell you, I’m all boo-hooed out.


19 posted on 07/06/2011 5:51:19 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack

Yep. The ever bleedin’ hearts broke my give-a-damn about ten years ago...


20 posted on 07/06/2011 5:58:19 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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