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Perry Breaks With a Fellow Texan: Bush
New York Times ^ | July 5, 2011 | JIM RUTENBERG and JEFF ZELENY

Posted on 07/05/2011 9:15:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

AUSTIN, Tex. — Gov. Rick Perry, a Republican contemplating a presidential run, shares many attributes with the last man who ran for president from here, his predecessor and onetime patron, George W. Bush. He has the same straight-legged Texas swagger; the down-home, clipped speaking style; the desert-baked conservatism.

But in recent years, Mr. Perry has broken politically with Mr. Bush, questioning his credentials as a fiscal conservative, accusing him of going on “a big government binge” and playing down some of Mr. Bush’s accomplishments in Texas in light of his own.

Mr. Perry’s public statements exposed a long-simmering rivalry that had been little known outside of the political fraternity here but underscores the rightward drift of the Republican Party since Mr. Bush was president. More acutely, Mr. Perry’s criticism holds potential peril and benefit for him should he decide to mount a presidential campaign, allowing him to establish an identity distinct from Mr. Bush but risking a guerrilla campaign against him by the former president’s inner circle.

Mr. Perry, whose aides say will make a decision within weeks, has been meeting around the country with potential fund-raisers, and last week went to Colorado for a gathering of prominent conservative rainmakers held by members of the Koch family, which helped finance the Tea Party movement.....

On government spending, immigration and education, Mr. Perry’s criticisms of Mr. Bush have given him cachet with conservatives, especially with Tea Party voters who blame the former president for allowing spending and the reach of government to grow rapidly.

Those criticisms have burnished the Perry image as less prone to ideological compromise or a fuzzy “compassionate” brand of conservatism, an appealing trait to those Republican primary voters seeking purity in their nominee....

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; bush; rickperry; teaparty
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To: Paperdoll

“You want more of the same as we’ve been getting the past 2 1/2 years, vote for Rick Perry!”

Horse manure.


81 posted on 07/05/2011 10:30:59 AM PDT by jessduntno (Liberalism is socialism in a party dress. And just as masculine.)
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To: Windflier

That’s great!

There are a lot of conservatives out there who are “tea party.”


82 posted on 07/05/2011 10:31:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

We were fragmented by disorganization and deceit.

The deceit came from the RINO’s and their phony conservative image candidates designed to allow McCain to win.

The deception is also our own fault because we wanted to be deceived and believe that the phony candidates were real and authentic conservatives.

The RINO’s have tugged at and manipulated our emotions with phony conservative candidates forever.

I’m over taking their bait and will not be hustled by all the hoopla over Santorum, Bachmann, Perry etc.

Is Sarah Palin perfect or Ron Paul the greatest? No, but they are feared by political insiders who want to crush any grassroots support for them.

The Paulistas have plenty of experience fighting ground wars in caucuses with the establishment.

The insiders don’t want to fight a muddy dirty campaign against Palin or Paul, so they have to come up with imitation candidates to grab the grassroots.


83 posted on 07/05/2011 10:33:25 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
No I did not say that..I think you do like Perry as a Candidate..I was just posting to the article for everyone to read..I should have said to all..
84 posted on 07/05/2011 10:34:14 AM PDT by PLD
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To: PLD

OK!!

Thanks.


85 posted on 07/05/2011 10:35:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Windflier
Gov. Rick Perry the Favorite for President among Tea Party Supporters in New Poll

Texas Governor Rick Perry Excites the Tea Party
86 posted on 07/05/2011 10:35:20 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: Paperdoll
What a RINO

Ding! Ding! Ding! Post #14 before the RINO accuation. That might be a record. It's usually in the top 5 post on any Perry thread.

Now to count the number of times before the thread is finished. Don't disappoint me now. :-)

87 posted on 07/05/2011 10:35:41 AM PDT by Texan
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To: CA Conservative

As to a “true conservative”, I don’t have a name to give you but I will tell you I measure against the Constitution and other well-stated conservative principle documents. One good example would be Reagan’s 1976 speech to the Republican Convention.

It’s like buying shoes. You know your measurement but each shoe fits differently and you try several pairs to find the best fit for your need. However, if a pair is in an incorrect box for its size, you know immediately that the label is wrong. Allowing the NYT to apply the “conservative” label is equivalent to allowing an illiterate to label the boxes at the shoe factory. Neither the NYT nor the illiterate can properly decode the correct meaning behind the label, whether it is “conservative” or “Size: 10D”.


88 posted on 07/05/2011 10:37:09 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Right.

Perry is so repugnant that I would consider voting for Romney or Huntsman.

Romney sucks.
Huntsman sucks.
Perry sucks more.

And for some reason you want me to repeat that?

I support the Tea Party candidates.
Palin, Paul, Bachmann, Cain.

I won’t have to think anything about Perry except he’s to be opposed, because there will be one of the 4 tea party candidates I mentioned to vote for throughout.

If Palin runs, the most likely scenario is she romps and we won’t have to do anything else except say “the only way I will consider NOT voting for Palin is if she picks Perry.
It wouldn’t be true, really, but if I was to single out one particular Republican potential candidate for disgust it would be Perry.

Romney is a country clubber who seems pained to try to act conservative. but he was clear, he was about “managing the growth of government.” Not for cuts, not a conservative, a country clubber, and that’s quite ok. Not for conservatives. But for country clubbers. Country clubbers are a part of the Republican primary electorate, and they’re going to have a candidate.

Rick Perry is a globalist pretending to be a tea partier. He’s trying to pull another Fake Conservative trick. We’re on to the Rovian tricks, and if Rove ever managed you, you’re out.


89 posted on 07/05/2011 10:37:45 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: T-Bird45

Since when are you the standard bearer of all that is Conservative/Constitutional? Looking at my past service record in the Armed Forces, your “Constitutional principles” theory is somewhat ignorant.

Rick Perry is also a great individual who served his country with tremendous honor.

Populist rhetoric and demagoguery is all you have to fall back on and it shows.


90 posted on 07/05/2011 10:39:08 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: Nextrush
Your comical attempt to put Sarah Palin and Ron Paul into the same category is highly entertaining...but not working.
91 posted on 07/05/2011 10:39:25 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: CA Conservative

There are two ways to interpret that, the legislature helping him avoid the issue by killing the bills.

Or perhaps they did it because of money being put in their pockets by pro-illegal business interests.

Perry’s signing the bills if they reached him probably would have been as symbolic as Jan Brewer’s signing of SB 1070 in Arizona.

It would been an entree to a court fight delaying or killing the legislation with the politician using their signature on the unfulfilled legislation as fuel for an election. Moderate Brewer played that card right to win re-election in Arizona and Perry would have used it for a potential presidential bid or other future political campaigns.


92 posted on 07/05/2011 10:40:12 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: lahargis

Perry did not veto the bill in May of 07.


Correct. Perry isn’t dumb enough to veto something that passed the legislature with almost 100% of the votes and have his veto overriden.


93 posted on 07/05/2011 10:40:12 AM PDT by deport
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To: Texan

Really, you hear RINO before Globalist or NWO or Bilderberg?

RINO isn’t evil, but it should be opposed at all times.

Globalist is evil.


94 posted on 07/05/2011 10:40:39 AM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: Nextrush
She’s gone “rogue” before and she’s the only candidate I will enthusiastically support (and that means money from my pocket, too).

I love Sarah, but she is not running (at least not yet), and even if she did, I don't think she could be elected. Her negatives are too high.

I don't know enough about Perry to know if I would support him, and I have questions about whether we are ready to elect another Texas governor to the presidency. But even after reading all of the screeds against Perry posted here, I haven't read anything that would definitively disqualify him in my eyes. I think the Gardasil issue was a mistake; I am not sure about the whole TTC issue (haven't read enough about it); and he probably could do more on the issue of illegals, although until Arizona stepped up to the plate, not many states were addressing that on their own. I am not too worried about his faliure to embrace AZ's laws completely - different states have different needs, and he indicated he thought Texas needed a law that was different, and he proposed one.

So despite all of the yelling by some, I am still open to be persuaded, by Perry or someone else. I don't see anyone in the race so far that excites me, although there are some who really worry me (Romney, Huntsman and Paul, for example).

95 posted on 07/05/2011 10:41:29 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: truthfreedom

Wow. You claim some are tea party candidates and post #83 claims differently. See folks, we cannot even get it straight without our own. This is simply killing us. That is how Obama won the last election. This is just crazy.

Get it straight.


96 posted on 07/05/2011 10:42:13 AM PDT by lahargis
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To: lahargis

Yes did you?I am not here to hide anything anyone does..And besides I also saw the show when Rick Perry was on Neils show it was great..

Did you know Glenn Beck is moving to Texas,,


97 posted on 07/05/2011 10:43:05 AM PDT by PLD
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To: truthfreedom

Do you consider Alex Jones a credible news source?


98 posted on 07/05/2011 10:43:37 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Tex-Con-Man

I’m not so sure, they might be more similar than you realize. They are both threading the fringe, thinking they are in the majority.


99 posted on 07/05/2011 10:44:50 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (Always Remember You're Unique.......(Just Like everyone Else.))
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To: truthfreedom
Interesting in who thinks Perry is conservative isn't it?

"Rick Perry is true to conservative principles even when others think the party
needs to go a different direction. I like that about him: he doesn't care which
way the wind blows, he acts on his beliefs. That's why I am supporting
Governor Rick Perry for re-election", Palin wrote.


100 posted on 07/05/2011 10:45:39 AM PDT by deport
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