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To: DoughtyOne
why would the mother lie to the four or so officers they convicted her of lying to, if she didn’t have anything to hide?

Unfortunately, and classically, the sign of a pathological liar is that they lie when there is no reason to do so. They have no ability to differentiate between telling a truth and a lie. In their lies, there is often a grain of truth, but they build a made up story around it. They purposely muddy up the waters so that they can never be accused of anything, let alone something as grave as murder.

Having lived with a pathological liar, who was also a narcissist, I know that it is impossible to explain their reasons for lying other than to say it is a mental dysfunction. Half the time they don't even realize they are lying. They just say what comes into their mind at the time to achieve whatever goal they have at the moment.

When confronted with their lies they often become very confrontational. If they suspect anyone of lying to or about them, they go ballistic. Casey Anthony displays all the signs of the most severe case of being a pathological liar and a narcissist. But, in the murder of her daughter...she was not proved guilty...because the defense just could not put her at the scene, with the murder weapon (tape/chloroform) and at the time of her death.

I think the investigators did not strongly and deeply enough follow the trail of how that child died, which I believe was truly an "accident" as Casey claimed. It is my feeling Caylee's death took place when Casey took her to be used in a very immoral way as described by that woman, Wendy. I think there is a ring of perverted people engaged in sexual use of children in the area and that Casey is hooked up with them in some way and has made money from offering her daughter. Chloroform and duct tape were probably used on Caylee to keep her quiet, and from remembering the horrid experience. Too much chloroform, or long enough covering of duct tape to stop her breathing, could have resulted in her death...and, Casey described it as a "accident."

Not wanting her parents or anyone to know of her activities in pimping out her daughter for such perverted benefit...she did not mention Caylee's absence to her parents for a month, and then made up a variety of stories. Anything but the truth. Long enough for the body of her daughter to decompose in the plastic bag in the swamp. Once fully decomposed...the evidence of any sexual abuse was gone. Now she can say she did not actually "murder" her daughter, and in actuality she is not lying. And because the investigators never pursued anything other than finding or proving Casey guilty of murder, the real story of how Caylee died will never be known unless someone else who was involved in pimping out children speaks up.

Had the police pursued that possibility...had they worked to find an underground ring of perverts who pimp children, use chloroform to keep them from remembering, and duct tape to keep them quiet...I think the charges against Casey for Child Endangerment, Accessory to a Crime, Child Abuse, and similar could have been brought and Casey would have been found guilty.

1,402 posted on 07/05/2011 1:39:41 PM PDT by CitizenM (He who is silent is understood to consent)
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To: CitizenM

I posted something the other day on how sociopaths are so similar in how they act and was made fun of. They lie even when it makes no sense and while most of us know they will get caught in the lie, they don’t stop - it is astounding


1,423 posted on 07/05/2011 1:46:32 PM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Going into Rehab means never having to say you are sorry....)
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To: CitizenM
Why would the mother lie to the four or so officers they convicted her of lying to, if she didn’t have anything to hide?

Unfortunately, and classically, the sign of a pathological liar is that they lie when there is no reason to do so. They have no ability to differentiate between telling a truth and a lie. In their lies, there is often a grain of truth, but they build a made up story around it. They purposely muddy up the waters so that they can never be accused of anything, let alone something as grave as murder.  Having lived with a pathological liar, who was also a narcissist, I know that it is impossible to explain their reasons for lying other than to say it is a mental dysfunction. Half the time they don't even realize they are lying. They just say what comes into their mind at the time to achieve whatever goal they have at the moment.  When confronted with their lies they often become very confrontational. If they suspect anyone of lying to or about them, they go ballistic. Casey Anthony displays all the signs of the most severe case of being a pathological liar and a narcissist. But, in the murder of her daughter...she was not proved guilty...because the defense just could not put her at the scene, with the murder weapon (tape/chloroform) and at the time of her death.

Having lived with several people like this myself, I recognize the classic symptoms, although I couldn't speak to what actually makes a person a pathological liar by definition in total.  It's unfortunate, but there are times when parents are so comfortable acting in this manner, that children adopt the same behavior.  Yes, they lie when it would there would be no down-side of actually telling the truth.  Yes they lie when it can be proven in an instant without a shaddow of a doubt, that they are lying.  I had one person in the household tell me they hadn't taken some things that they were actually sporting at the moment they made the claim, and everyone else was looking at the proof as they uttered those words.  It defies logic for a rational person to comprehend why they do it, or how they thought they could get away with it.

I think the investigators did not strongly and deeply enough follow the trail of how that child died, which I believe was truly an "accident" as Casey claimed. It is my feeling Caylee's death took place when Casey took her to be used in a very immoral way as described by that woman, Wendy. I think there is a ring of perverted people engaged in sexual use of children in the area and that Casey is hooked up with them in some way and has made money from offering her daughter. Chloroform and duct tape were probably used on Caylee to keep her quiet, and from remembering the horrid experience. Too much chloroform, or long enough covering of duct tape to stop her breathing, could have resulted in her death...and, Casey described it as a "accident."

Okay, lets go with that thought for a moment.  Isn't that child abuse?  She was aquitted of that.  She was also aquitted of actions that resulted in a death that included child abuse.

If the jurors wanted to go that route, then fine.  Convict on these lessor offenses, but don't take a pass on convicting on any of the greater counts.

Not wanting her parents or anyone to know of her activities in pimping out her daughter for such perverted benefit...she did not mention Caylee's absence to her parents for a month, and then made up a variety of stories. Anything but the truth. Long enough for the body of her daughter to decompose in the plastic bag in the swamp. Once fully decomposed...the evidence of any sexual abuse was gone. Now she can say she did not actually "murder" her daughter, and in actuality she is not lying. And because the investigators never pursued anything other than finding or proving Casey guilty of murder, the real story of how Caylee died will never be known unless someone else who was involved in pimping out children speaks up.

I'm not really buying into this defense.  IMO the mom didn't want to be tied down.  She killed the kid and went out celebrating afterwards.  Once the kid was dead, she was free to live the good life again.  She even got a tattoo to celebrate her new "good life".  If a kid merely dies by accident, don't you feel guilt?  Sure.  You feel remorse because you didn't really mean for the kid to die.  You wanted to use them, but you didn't want to kill them.  In a twisted way, you tell yourself that you're actually doing this for the kid too, because you'll have more money to spend on the kid.  That's how twisted people think.  They don't go out and celebrate that the kid is gone.  That's what this mom did.  She got a commemorative tattoo to herald the passing into a new life-style, a better life, a return to 'the good life'.  She was a teenager all over again.  "I'm freeeeeeeee...."

Had the police pursued that possibility...had they worked to find an underground ring of perverts who pimp children, use chloroform to keep them from remembering, and duct tape to keep them quiet...I think the charges against Casey for Child Endangerment, Accessory to a Crime, Child Abuse, and similar could have been brought and Casey would have been found guilty.

I appreciate the alternative view here, but it doesn't really work for me.  If you're going to be entering into this type of ring, then you know people who have done it and are going to tell you exactly what to do to facilitate it.  She wouldn't have to go look things up.  People would be only too willing to give her all the information she needed.  The very fact that she was looking up this information, makes it rather clear to me that she was not involved in this type of activity.

In addition, you wouldn't need to delve into the topic of broken necks.  You only do that if you're trying to figure out the best way to facilitate one.  This is not germane to pimping your child out for sex.  It just makes no sense at all.  Once again, it makes the idea that she was pimping her daughter out for sex, to be a preposterous line of reasoning from the get go.  I'm not saying that to put you down, but rather to make my case.

1,481 posted on 07/05/2011 2:10:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Muslim Brotherhood (renames itself) the Liberty and Justice Party. NOT A JOKE.)
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