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Rapid Melting of Arctic Sea Ice Possibly Explained [new theory?]
eyeonthearctic.rcinet.ca ^ | 28 June 2011 | written by The Canadian Press

Posted on 07/01/2011 6:46:52 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Arctic researchers have discovered a clue as to why sea ice in the North is melting so much faster than anyone thought it would.

Scientists have long puzzled over why Arctic sea ice is retreating at up to three times the rate that climate models say it should.

In an effort to answer that question, a group of U.K-based explorers walked more than 500 kilometres of sea ice in the High Arctic, taking temperature readings of the ocean below them.

They found a layer of cold, salty water about 200 metres down that they suspect has come from the melting of first-year ice.

That meltwater has forced the relatively warmer water to the surface, where it's speeding up the decay of more ice. 'Complicated processes'

"We're trying to understand why the ice is melting so fast," said Simon Boxall of the Catlin Arctic Survey. "It's not just down to simple warming. There are more complicated processes."

The speed at which sea ice is disappearing in the Arctic has far exceeded almost all predictions and alarmed climate scientists.

A 2007 paper from the National Snow and Ice Data Center in Boulder, Colo., found that the projections of the UN-sponsored Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change were already obsolete three years after they were published.

When projections from the panel were compared with actual observations, the authors found that between 1953 and 2006 the sea ice was retreating three times faster than it should have. Between 1979 and 2006, when satellite data was available, the actual retreat was twice as fast as climate models predicted.

The report concluded that sea ice retreat is 30 years ahead of where scientists thought it would be.

(Excerpt) Read more at eyeonthearctic.rcinet.ca ...


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: arctic; arcticice; catastrophism; climate; climatechange; globalwarming; godsgravesglyphs; simonboxall
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To: battousai
This is going to do wonders for world trade when the ice is significantly gone.

BINGO! The first use of the Northwest Passage since the 1800's! Imagine the trade 'across the top of the world' instead of around it at a lower latitude! Crude oil from Barrow to New York, over the top!

21 posted on 07/01/2011 7:58:45 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: C210N
The ice in the drink in front of me is all gone...

Did your drink run all over when the glass overflowed? (8^D)

22 posted on 07/01/2011 8:02:42 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: smokingfrog

Clowns! Need to join a circus.....


23 posted on 07/01/2011 8:09:43 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: battousai
Just need to buy some seaside property on the arctic ocean and I’m all set :)

Do you know how the beaches are up there? You should be able to get a nice tan with the sun up so long in the summer. I might open a little jet-ski rental shop since this looks to be the next summer "hot spot" for the jet set.

24 posted on 07/01/2011 8:15:20 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Causes these climatologists are ignoring:
* We’ve had an uptick in earth quakes and volcanic activity in recent years - Iceland being one of them. Could undersea volcanic activity like hidden lava flows and venting be causing this ice to melt?
* Industrial waste heat is on the rise along with industrialization. Norway, Sweden, Russia’s Far East all still have industrialization and far more waste heat. The heat bubble effect could be exaggerated and melting the ice near the coast, without specifically being “global warming”, just warmed air near the ocean surface OR warmed water from their rivers making it to the ocean.


25 posted on 07/01/2011 8:29:53 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: smokingfrog

Blame the Amish, Tea Partiers, Bush, Gun Toting Bible Hugging Christians but for God’s sake don’t blame Mother Nature (Gaia).


26 posted on 07/01/2011 8:36:51 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: smokingfrog

Wouldn’t be surprised to have a volcano forming underneath. That would explain a lot of it if true.


27 posted on 07/01/2011 8:44:17 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: smokingfrog
and yet, there's STILL 55 FEET OF SNOW in Mt.Baker Washington
28 posted on 07/01/2011 8:45:07 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: smokingfrog
"We're trying to understand why the ice is melting so fast," said Simon Boxall of the Catlin Arctic Survey. "It's not just down to simple warming. There are more complicated processes."

The only way to solve this problem is to immediately raise taxes on the 47% of people in the US that still pay taxes, and allow Gore, Obama and their friends to make billions trading carbon credits.

29 posted on 07/01/2011 8:56:47 PM PDT by spodefly (This is my tag line. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; 75thOVI; agrace; ...

Thanks smokingfrog.
Scientists have long puzzled over why Arctic sea ice is retreating at up to three times the rate that climate models say it should.
Why? The climate models have been wrong about literally everything.

Next time the jokers head to the Arctic Ice, may they not come back.




30 posted on 07/01/2011 9:02:20 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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31 posted on 07/01/2011 9:02:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: smokingfrog

Alas, not rapidly enough.

32 posted on 07/01/2011 9:53:56 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: smokingfrog
"Now, if I wanted to be one of those ponderous scientific people, and 'let on' to prove what had occurred in the remote past by what had occurred in a given time in the recent past, or what will occur in the far future by what has occurred in late years, what an opportunity is here! Geology never had such a chance, nor such exact data to argue from! Nor 'development of species,' either! Glacial epochs are great things, but they are vague--vague. Please observe:--

In the space of one hundred and seventy-six years the Lower Mississippi has shortened itself two hundred and forty-two miles. That is an average of a trifle over one mile and a third per year. Therefore, any calm person, who is not blind or idiotic, can see that in the Old Oolitic Silurian Period,' just a million years ago next November, the Lower Mississippi River was upwards of one million three hundred thousand miles long, and stuck out over the Gulf of Mexico like a fishing-rod. And by the same token any person can see that seven hundred and forty-two years from now the Lower Mississippi will be only a mile and three-quarters long, and Cairo and New Orleans will have joined their streets together, and be plodding comfortably along under a single mayor and a mutual board of aldermen. There is something fascinating about science. One gets such wholesale returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact."


Mark Twain, "Life on the Mississippi" (Chapter 17)
33 posted on 07/02/2011 5:50:22 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: COBOL2Java
...just a million years ago next November...

Some people just have a way with words, don't they?

34 posted on 07/02/2011 5:57:32 AM PDT by Bob
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To: smokingfrog

So basically, it’s the same effect as putting salt on the ice on my driveway... I know it’s more complicated than that, but that’s the start of the process.

The question is; what started this process in the first place? It can’t be global warming. The antarctic is gaining ice and snow.


35 posted on 07/02/2011 6:13:06 AM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did. (NO to Bush II))
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To: smokingfrog

I suspect those villianous reptiles from “V.”


36 posted on 07/02/2011 9:57:16 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: meatloaf

Yeah but women and minorities will be hardest hit.


37 posted on 07/02/2011 12:30:33 PM PDT by BJClinton (Tweet your meat, lose your seat.)
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To: TigersEye

Is the white part the ice? It is nearly exactly the same.


38 posted on 07/02/2011 4:57:06 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: BlackVeil
"the north-west passage is still iced up." But as soon as it melts we're in like Flynn!
39 posted on 07/02/2011 5:05:06 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9
The white part is ice (or snow) on the land. The multi-colored key on the upper left shows the different thicknesses of sea ice 100 being the thickest. I don't see a lot of difference myself. Yes, there is somewhat less sea ice this year on the same date as in 1979 but not a lot. I expect that not every year is the same or every decade on a given date.

Houston, we have a problem. And the problem is lying propagandists who want our money.

40 posted on 07/02/2011 5:54:45 PM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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