[restornu]

Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but Mormons have a history of being persecuted. They have been exiled in their own land, but have returned unfailing devotion to our Constitution.

This new play will pander to our prejudices and treat our Mormon neighbors as we would never wish to be treated. Some Americans will allow it to confirm unthinking prejudice, while cowardly Mormons will applaud it hoping for crumbs of respectability.

Meanwhile the actual Mormons in our midst will keep paying taxes, making strong families with children, and dying to protect the rights of a decayed and decadent theater “elite.”

I stand in solidarity with my Mormon neighbors.

[RobRoy]

Actually, anything that gets out the actual truth is a good thing.

Unthinking prejudice? Yeah, I see a lot of that about all sorts of groups. My “prejudice” regarding mormonism is based on a mountain of learning, knowledge and understanding. I actually almost became a mormon around 1980, but even before the internet one could find the information needed to make the correct decision. Now it is too easy.

Heck, just go to youtube and search mormonism.

And speaking of mormon neighbors, a friend of mine, after watching “The Godmakers” back around 1986, said, “now I know why my mormon neighbor killed herself after her mormon husband divorced her.”

[Katya]

I guess you’re not a south park fan...

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“...but Mormons have a history of being persecuted.”

...Yeah, like when po’ old Joseph Smith was hitting on other men’s wives and their husbands didn’t like it.
...Or when a local newspaper started to reveal what he was doing and po’ Joseph the victim sent a mob to destroy private property.
...Or like when mormons massacred an innocent wagon train, killing women and children and then sending out mormon women to loot the wagons and bodies.
...Or like daily when they pervert the Bible here on FR and others point it out...

It’s so undeserved! They are victimized just like Jewish people!

[donmeaker]

Of course Joseph Smith Jr, their fraud/prophet was shot by his brother Hiram.

Aside from that and the various murders of settlers and wagon trains trying to cross US territory on which the Mormons were settled, I find most Mormons to be peaceable to outsiders. Not saying that their “heretic” sects practice of raping female children and driving off young men is acceptable

[svcw]

Resty you state:

They have been exiled in their own land, but have returned unfailing devotion to our Constitution.

Here's what mormonISM is founded on:

Joseph Smith published a newspaper article in his Mormon Newspaper in Independence, Missouri in 1832 wherein he wrote, "I have consecrated the riches of the gentiles unto my people who are of the House of Isreal."

In 1838, Joseph Smith was arrested for Treason against the United States.

Between 1842 and 1844, Joseph Smith:

a. Proclaimed himself "King of Zion", which he claimed held dominion over the United States

b. Appointed Brigham Young as the new Mormon "President of the United States"

c. Appointed other church leaders in his secret "Council of Fifty" as Governors of the various states and territories

d. Began forming his "Nauvoo Legion", which he claimed would be a "100,000 man militia" to be used to overthrow the US Government with military force (this is where all of the resurgent Mormon militias of the 1880's and 1890's came from, (like the Viper Militia and the Michigan Militia)

e. Inducted himself into the US military as "Lieutenant General" even though he had no prior military experience, and began wearing a military uniform

f. Began legitimizing polygamy by formally announcing his "doctrine of polygamy"

g. Formally announced his "Doctrine of the Constitution Versus the Law", which taught that Mormonism was the law of the land, which superseded America Law)

h. Formally created his new "Melchizedek Priesthood", which made all Mormons superior to "Christians" and made them "not-subject" to the man-made Judeo-Christian laws of America, or the Laws of Moses (10-commandements). Smith's new superior priesthood (superior to the older "Aaronic Priesthood"), made all Mormon males "man-Gods" in their own right who now "held the keys" to circumvent the Christian laws of Moses and the Judeo-Christian laws of America

[WVKayaker]

Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but Mormons

Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but BY Mormons...

there, fixed it for you. The Mormons are as hypocritical as the current pResident riding in Air Force One. I am sure you are in solidarity with those that claim they will become gods. You are your own joke! Others just observe and laugh!

In 1978, after decades of political wrangling and social turmoil, the Mormon church finally changed their policy barring people of African descent from being "ordained" with the priesthood. The church never admitted they were wrong to discriminate. Instead, they claimed that "God" had changed his mind on the topic, and that the church as a whole would now follow the latest decree from"God" himself, as revealed to his prophet and mouthpeice on Earth, Spencer W. Kimball. ...

Church leader Bruce R. McConkie, on the denial of equality for Africans:

“NEGROES IN THIS LIFE ARE DENIED THE PRIESTHOOD; under NO circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation IS NOT CARRIED AFFIRMATIVELY TO THEM... “NEGROES ARE NOT EQUAL WITH OTHER RACES WHERE THE RECEIPT OF CERTAIN SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS ARE CONCERNED...” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, p. 477)

[Elsie]

They have been exiled in their own land...

Dang Resty: you're sounding like a PALESTINIAN today!

[Elsie]

This new play will pander to our prejudices and treat our Mormon neighbors as we would never wish to be treated.

AWwww... I just HATE it when folks get mistreated!

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Joseph Smith continues: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (, p.270).

 

Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (, p. 119).

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" ( 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" ( 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" ( 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (, vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" ( 10:230).

 

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (, p. 255).

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (, 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (, vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (, 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (, p.182).

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (, vol. 3, p.282).

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (, p.316).

 

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (, vol. 2, p.196).

 

[Elsie]

I stand in solidarity with my Mormon neighbors.

And your STENOGRAPHER is doing quite well today, too!

[Morpheus2009]

Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but Mormons have a history of being persecuted. They have been exiled in their own land, but have returned unfailing devotion to our Constitution.

Yes, but some things were just neccessary. The whole polygamy issue was something that had to be resolved for the sake of society as a whole. I will admit that it is a good thing that the church leadership and Utah territorial government at the time submitted to the idea of getting rid of polygamy and becoming part of the United States. Actually caring about whether or not you are part of the U.S. is something I wish really happened with plenty of people. If it did in the U.S., the illegal immigration would hardly be an issue. If it happened in Europe, radical Islam would hardly be an issue. It was also important in retrospect, as we actually set a pretty concrete definition back in the late 19th century as to what was acceptable by law as being a marriage, but we have since fallen from that.

As far as this musical is concerned, you are talking about the makers of South Park, which I was never all that fond about in the first place. Rude, crude toilet humor gets a little old with time, and I personally wouldn’t have much interest in paying to see a musical by these guys, even though I am not a fan of Mormonism itself, just like I didn’t watch, or miss much from South Park either, you don’t have to be a Mormon to figure out that most of the material from these guys is crude, or rediculous anyways.

[sand lake bar]

“I stand in solidarity with my Mormon neighbors.”

As do I.

[wintertime]

I stand in solidarity with my Mormon neighbors.
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I do too!

And.....I have been so put off by the viciousness of the anti-Mormonism nuts that the next time I see those wholesome looking bike riding missionaries in my neighborhood I am determined to invite them in for lunch!

I see Mormons producing plenty of good fruit. They absolutely can **NOT** possibly be as bad as these anti-Mormonism posters claim. It is time to find out about Mormons from the Mormons themselves!