Posted on 06/23/2011 8:58:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog
Tucson Police confirm that a weapon they found in Jose Guerena's home had been stolen in 2008.
SWAT officers killed Guerena in his southwest side home last month when they went to serve a search warrant.
Investigators say Guerena pointed an assault rifle at officers when they went in the house.
(Excerpt) Read more at kold.com ...
I was just wondering myself if this might be a little piece of “surplus” Project Gunwalker material held back as a contingency........ I’m just sayin’....
Horiuchi was at Ruby Ridge *and* Waco. I wonder where he’ll turn up next?
Are you aware we have a court system? At all?
Do you know what a SEARCH warrant is for?
It is not a Search and DESTROY warrant.
If the warraent were for someone involved with weapons - WTF do you think they should have anticipated? Did they think he was going to have jelly doughnuts?
He has every right in the world to point a weapon at people smashing his door down.
You sound more out of it than the morons who murdered the man.
I have your back.
It’s not much of an article, but it’s the only one I could find on Google news covering the subject. IIRC, there was a gun found under the mattress. I don’t remember if it was a handgun or a rifle. If I had to guess I’d say the AR-15 is not the allegedly stolen weapon.
Guerena is a bad apple.
- was a bad apple.
Let's look at just a few of these lies one at a time, shall we?
Are you totally stupid? Didn't you see the videos of the so called legal serving of the warrant? The knocked and waited 8 seconds or so before breaking in. His wife had seen armed men outside the house and told her husband, he armed himself as would any law abiding citizen who owned firearms(there is serious doubt he owned the rifle, his wife claimed at the time that the swat team threw it down next to him). He was sleeping, woken up out of a sound slumber, his wife tells him armed people are outside. I suppose you would simply let people break into your house without defending it.
His wife told investigators and 911 that she knew the SWAT were outside, that they identified themselves as SWAT, and that she heard the siren.
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/c/8f/524/c8f5246a-8825-11e0-9f33-001cc4c002e0-revisions/4ddf3c9948269.pdf.pdf
http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/azstarnet.com/content/tncms/assets/editorial/0/95/5c1/0955c118-8826-11e0-a691-001cc4c002e0-revisions/4ddf3d458b682.pdf.pdf
This man did NOT fire and it is only their word that he aimed it at them. I have serious doubts about their story and the legitimacy of the weapon he supposedly had, he was an ex-marine he would not have simply stood there had he been armed.
1: The police do not have to wait until they are fired upon. Arizona law is clear. They are allowed to respond to what reasonably appears to be the imminent use of deadly force, with deadly force. 2: We don't just have "their word" we have the bullet strikes on his gun, which indicate that it had to have been pointed at them when they fired. (Oh wait, let me guess.... ITZ A CONSPIWACY!!!!!, AKA the last refuge of the stupid.)
Despite your stupidity this was a massacre of an innocent citizen. BTW, he was not involved in a stolen crime ring, that was BS made up to justify the shooting. He had relatives that were killed about 2 years ago by members of a stolen crime ring after they broke into his relatives house.
Wrong.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/57183432/PCSO-Search-Warrant-Affidavit-Jose-Guerena-Shooting
The news media printed lies that made it seem like he was some how involved with the people who killed his sister.
Uh huh... it all goes back to that... "The CONSPIWACY!!!!"
Get your facts straight and also realize that all cops are not good people and that swat teams in particular think they have powers they simply do not possess, not legally.
Uh huh... cop-hating 101. AKA "When my lies are exposed on the internet, I just start rambling about 'bad cops' to try to save face..."
The warrant, btw, was not legal, it did not state the name of the person and place to be searched or what they were searching for. They have refused to release this warrant, the reason? So they could lie about it without fear of being called on it.
Wrong.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/57183432/PCSO-Search-Warrant-Affidavit-Jose-Guerena-Shooting
One more thing, if this was such a legal shoot, why did they let him bleed out? Perhaps to keep him from talking?
Yeah... back to the "ITZ A CONSPIWACY!!!!"
What you are doing is called moving the goal posts. Prior to the SWAT video coming out, the spittle laden bloggers all said, 1. There was no knock, 2. They didn't announce themselves at all, 3. That there was no siren at all. 4. That there was no wait before making entry. 5. That he wasn't a criminal. Each one of these statements are a demonstrated lie. So what does the internet "master-debater" do? Yep, he tries to move the goalposts. Now, it is 1. Well they did knock, but it was too quiet. 2. They did announce, but a person sleeping couldn't hear it. 3. There was a siren but it sounded like a car alarm. 4. They did wait, but not long enough. 5. There is no proof he was a criminal.
Epic Failure.
Are you going for my Hitler title?
I may relinquish it because I don’t think I can top your post on the facts of this case and summation of the emotionally invested.
This info should have been available within moments of running the serial numbers.
Probably so... after all, those who are emotionally invested in defending a piece of human garbage really don’t have anything other than the standard logical fallacies to resort to. “JBT”, “Hitler”, “They planted it” and other assorted ad hominem attacks and tinfoil hat conspiracy theories are the last refuge of those who have no facts to back up their rhetoric.
It’s all part of the entitlement “ITS ALL ABOUT ME!” culture that the internet breeds. People become emotionally invested in stories like this, without possessing all, or even a good portion of the facts. Thus, their small minds fill in the blanks in conformity with whatever twisted view of the world that they have.
Then when real facts begin to leak out, it all becomes part of a grand “conspiracy” because the facts make them look bad.
Oh well... it’s probably not even worth it. Nothing will convince those so invested in the reality of black helicopters, lizard people, and chemtrails that these things aren’t real. Reason is beyond them. It makes some people feel better about their lives to invent a reality that they can rant about on the internet rather than to fix the real problems that exist in the world.
Rather than tackle Obama appointing radical socialist homosexuals to the federal bench, or the NY Legislature trying to redefine a perversion as marriage, people will defend a criminal piece of filth so that they can attack the “JBTs” that they wish existed.
What on earth makes you think you were/are entitled to that information? Who are you to dictate the time-table that information like this is released?
Awesome and correct.
Your talents are wasted on FR.
LoL!
Just my thought. I have only read three articles on this. I have nothing invested in this. This was a search warrant that seems to have gone wrong. Heck, I have no idea what “JBT” means.
The affidavit also reported that Guerena was the registered owner of six vehicles with a combined value of at least $105,385.
Jack Boot Thug. Supposed modern day government Nazis.
Proof please that criticism of the march of the gay agenda is exclusive of criticism of Democrat police departments that raise serious questions about their own competence or even good will -- to the point that a supposedly favorable report which arises later on is subject to severe skeptical scrutiny?
P.S. you sound like the ticketed double-parking motorist asking the meter officer why he/she isn't chasing speeders. All in good time, chap, all in good time.
I believe that like I believe in AGW......................
BS!
Guilty until proven innocent?
That’s not the way it’s supposed to work.
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