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Concealed carry legislation a hollow victory for its supporters (barf alert)
Milwaukee J-S ^ | 23 june 2011 | Eugene Kane

Posted on 06/23/2011 4:01:27 AM PDT by rellimpank

When it comes to the concealed-carry bill expected to be signed soon by Gov. Scott Walker, I guess it's time for opponents like me to surrender.

After the bill was approved by most Republicans and some Democrats, the Assembly will send the bill to Walker to become the law of the land. The move is being hailed as a major victory by those who believe concealed carry provides a much-needed safety net for law-abiding citizens who can now feel free to summon up their inner Clint Eastwood on demand to defend their loved ones.

Of course, that's a crock.

Many law enforcement officers will tell you how difficult it would be for a regular citizen - even with the required training - to use a handgun in a confrontation with a criminal. No matter how many action movies you may have watched, it's just not that simple.

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1 posted on 06/23/2011 4:01:31 AM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank
Many law enforcement officers will tell you how difficult it would be for a regular citizen - even with the required training - to use a handgun in a confrontation with a criminal. No matter how many action movies you may have watched, it's just not that simple.

Translation: You're just too stupid, so you need to be a good little sheep and let the police protect you.

2 posted on 06/23/2011 4:05:28 AM PDT by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: rellimpank
No matter how many action movies you may have watched, it's just not that simple.

Having been there [no, I won't provide many details except that the outcome was satisfactory]. I'd disagree. When a criminal creates a situation in which a normal person is willing to use deadly force, there shouldn't be any serious qualms. Before a responsible firearms owner reaches that point, he should have practiced enough to use the weapon reliably and place his shots accurately with some awareness of what lies beyond the target.

The complex part is dealing with law enforcement, and that is what lawyers are for. Part of preparation for self defense is learning exactly what to say to the police (VERY little), when to stop talking, and how to obtain the right lawyer once you're in that position. Even against a convicted felon who breaks into your home, the decisions you made in seconds will be analyzed for days. It's helpful, once you're there, if a lawyer guides you on what information to provide and how to phrase it. And of course, you do not "shoot to kill", although if your center-mass shots intended to "stop the threat" happen to create a situation in which the criminal will never commit another crime, that's not a bad outcome.

3 posted on 06/23/2011 4:26:51 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SIDENET

Many.. There is word again.

Well many people who do carry concealed weapons have been thoroughly trained in its use. Many of the mass shootings at universities and schools would have been prevented if concealed carry was in place.

Then again, many leftwing wuss journolists are scared that their agenda cannot be implemented.


4 posted on 06/23/2011 4:28:52 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Sarah Palin, the only candidate to be vetted by the NY Times, the Washington Post and NBC.)
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To: SIDENET; rellimpank
Myths deconstructed here: The Armed Citizen
5 posted on 06/23/2011 4:30:48 AM PDT by Caleb1411 ("These are the days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed except his own." G. K. C)
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To: rellimpank

It would have been helpful, even prudent, for this ill informed writer to quote statistics about how dangerous it is for the general population to conceal carry. Problem is, there aren’t any. All the statistics go the other way.

Just like a liberal, never let the facts get in the way of a story.


6 posted on 06/23/2011 4:35:26 AM PDT by Any Fate But Submission (How Long Can You Tread Water)
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For cops, a concealed carry law turns every traffic stop, public event or encounter with an angry civilian into a nerve-racking test to figure out who might be packing heat and who isn't.

Wow.

Today, only the criminals will be carrying, but the cops are not worried about them.

When this law is signed, legal, law-abiding citizens, will become armed and angry, and will want to shoot it out over a traffic ticket.

7 posted on 06/23/2011 4:36:09 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages.)
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Many law enforcement officers will tell you how difficult it would be for a regular citizen - even with the required training - to use a handgun in a confrontation with a criminal.

Police academies devote on the order of 20-40 hours to handgun training. I've got much more training time than that. I also spend a lot more time on the range than most officers, many of whom only fire their guns at yearly qualification time.

And the private citizen who gets attacked will find that getting to his gun is a lot faster than calling police and waiting for them to arrive.

8 posted on 06/23/2011 4:43:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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(Many law enforcement officers will tell you how difficult it would be for a regular citizen - even with the required training - to use a handgun in a confrontation with a criminal)

HORSE SHIT...
As a former Law Enforcement Officer I could not disagree more. Now Chiefs and others with political positions in law enforcement always want the citizens disarmed. But most rank and file cops have no problem with law abiding citizens exercising their Constituonal Rights...
We as citizens HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES. DEAL WITH IT...


9 posted on 06/23/2011 4:47:43 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: rellimpank

More like a Hollow Point victory.


10 posted on 06/23/2011 4:50:35 AM PDT by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
HORSE SHIT... As a former Law Enforcement Officer I could not disagree more. Now Chiefs and others with political positions in law enforcement always want the citizens disarmed. But most rank and file cops have no problem with law abiding citizens exercising their Constituonal Rights... We as citizens HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND OURSELVES. DEAL WITH IT...

As a current LEO, I and almost all my fellow officers at my Dept, welcome the day Illinois becomes a CCW state. Contrary to what the libertarians and other anti-government types on Free Republic say, most cops I know support the Constitution in whole. Shit needs to be fixed from the top down, but it's easy to put a target on the rank and file seen every day.
11 posted on 06/23/2011 5:06:51 AM PDT by brent13a (You're a Great American! NO you're a Great American! NO NO NO YOU'RE a Great American! Nooo.....WTF?)
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To: USS Alaska

At the age of eleven or twelve I started using a seven shot, bolt action .22 caliber Remington Scoremaster rifle with a 26 inch barrel. I could knock the eyes out of a squirrel at fifty feet or farther with ease. The little .22 was quite capable of killing a human at 100 yards or even more. My younger brother has the old rifle now and there are still no notches in the stock. Of course if we had had a concealed handgun we would have run around shooting school teachers, preachers, puppets, pirates, pawns, poets, a pawn and a king.

Gun banners are the biggest fools on Earth.


12 posted on 06/23/2011 5:12:19 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Pollster1; All
--good post--

--I'll put in a plug for Alan Korwin's excellent book After You Shoot available from him on the 'net--

--I only post stuff from Kane as an example of how wrong a professional scribbler can be on any subject--

13 posted on 06/23/2011 5:17:23 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: rellimpank

“Many law enforcement officers will tell you how difficult it would be for a regular citizen - even with the required training - to use a handgun in a confrontation with a criminal. No matter how many action movies you may have watched, it’s just not that simple.”

Sure it is. Its real simple. Bang-bang-bang-bang.


14 posted on 06/23/2011 5:27:06 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: rellimpank
The liberal MSM, a few church leaders, a big city mayor or two said before and after Concealed Carry came into being here in Missouri:

Blood will flow in the streets.

Every fender bender will be a shoot out.

Every case of road rage will be a running gun battle.

Police provide all the protection the "average person" needs (in about 10 minutes).

Their guns will be stolen when they are in gun free zones.

It hasn't happened in over 7 years. All most everyone of those anti concealed carry crusaders were either ignorant or just plain lying.

15 posted on 06/23/2011 5:37:12 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: SIDENET

when you stop buying the papers that these A$$holes print they might get the message that no one really cares what they think...


16 posted on 06/23/2011 5:38:06 AM PDT by jrd
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To: rellimpank

“Many law enforcement officers will tell you how difficult it would be for a regular citizen - even with the required training - to use a handgun in a confrontation with a criminal. No matter how many action movies you may have watched, it’s just not that simple.”

It took just about 45 min. for police to respond to a burglary call in my neck of metro Atlanta. I will have no problem in shooting in that general direction


17 posted on 06/23/2011 5:43:30 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: rellimpank
What a crock. I guarantee you I am a better shot under fire than 90% of the cops out there. I have been in two civilian guns fights and won both. Most cops go their whole career and never draw their gun in the line of duty. Cops routinely fire and do not hit $hit - unless you are the target and trapped in your own home and gunned down in a flurry of automatic weapons fire.

BTW it was watching action movies and Westerns that prepared me for being in a gunfight (along with a half million rounds of 22 killing rats at the dump). If I had wandered into the C store half asleep instead of on watch I would be dead. Learned that from Clint - HA!

18 posted on 06/23/2011 5:44:34 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Demons run when a good man goes to war.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
“Two in the chest, one in the head, shoot that F’er till he's dead.”

Ammo conservation! ;-)

19 posted on 06/23/2011 5:46:40 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Demons run when a good man goes to war.)
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To: mad_as_he$$
The family friendly version. Two to the chest, one to the head, we'd lik’em live, but we'll tak’em dead. Song that they sing during PT runs at FLETC.
20 posted on 06/23/2011 6:02:20 AM PDT by JimC214
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