To the author: Don’t “dis” Dolan!
Really?
Posted on 06/22/2011 8:39:30 AM PDT by presidio9
First there is Archbishop Timothy Dolan, who came here from Milwaukee and sounds more like somebody from out of town than ever, saying that the idea of gay marriage constitutes an "ominous threat" to everything good and decent. Dolan sounds like somebody worrying that if gay marriage becomes law in New York on his watch, it may drop a safe on his chances of being promoted to Cardinal.
Dolan also tells Fred Dicker on the radio last week how he understands that those who want the gay marriage bill in the state Senate to become law in New York are powerful and "well-oiled." Right. But the Catholic Church isn't.
On the sports pages we get the ex-Giant, David Tyree, who once made the greatest catch in Super Bowl history pressing a ball against his helmet one night against the Patriots in Glendale, Ariz. and now sounds as if he might have occasionally played without one. A helmet. And this isn't because Tyree says he would give up his Super Bowl win to prevent gay marriage from becoming the law in New York.
SPORTS FIGURES WHO HAVE SPOKEN OUT IN SUPPORT OF, OR AGAINST, GAY RIGHTS
Tyree makes a video for the National Organization for Marriage that says gay marriage would lead to "anarchy." Sure it would. Having these gays be officially married in the state of New York would bring on fabulous rioting in the streets, along with making them a threat to Catholics. Of course. Like they are Al Qaeda operatives on Christopher St.
When Jemele Hill of ESPN.com asked Tyree about the use of the word "anarchy," Tyree says he didn't mean it literally, that he was really talking about the "moral fabric of our country." Tyree is a devout Christian, entitled to his beliefs and his opinions. Dolan is entitled to his, even if he sounds like the marching orders on this one are coming straight from the Vatican.
You don't demonize ex-football players and current top Catholics anywhere for believing what they believe, even as they do a pretty good job trying to demonize gay people, men and women, who are no threat to the moral fabric of this country or anything else. Or anybody. Dolan and Tyree are still wrong, the rhetoric they have brought to the debate laced with both ignorance and intolerance.
I was talking to a gay friend of mine about this, one who has been in a committed relationship for 13 years. If it were officially a marriage in the state of New York, then I wouldn't have to call it a relationship or a union, just one of the best marriages I know about anywhere.
These are two guys with an apartment downtown and a house upstate, and professional careers, devoted to each other for a long time, just wanting the same rights that everybody else has in America. You should know that Archbishop Dolan also doesn't think that gay marriage is a "right." He will tell everybody what their rights are here, as if his pulpit gives him the high ground on all matters.
My friend said, "This platform of righteousness that (Dolan) is standing on, and preaching from, hasn't anybody told him that it started collapsing a long time ago?"
That is the irony of the Church's fierce opposition to gay marriage, here and everywhere. They are much better at identifying what they say is the clear and present danger of gays who want to get married than they were the danger of priests in their own ranks.
My friend said, "Is this law going to change our relationship? Of course not. We just want the same rights that everybody else has, whether the Archbishop thinks they're actually our rights or not. If my partner gets hit by a crosstown bus, I would like to be able to go into the hospital room and explain to everybody that I have the legal right to make decisions."
He has done what he can to make a difference in this movement, and in this debate. He has written letters and emailed Steve Saland, the state senator from the part of upstate New York where he has his weekend home. Even now, in the late innings, Saland is still undecided on how to vote. My friend said he wants to believe his letters and emails might have turned Saland around, but that it was probably Saland's wife and daughter.
My friend laughed and said, "Women are always way ahead of everybody else."
Then he was talking about how brave Gov. Andrew Cuomo has been on this issue, talking about how at the same time that gay marriage might become law in the state, that Christine Quinn, whom my friend describes as an "out there lesbian," might be the next mayor of New York.
Why is Quinn looking like such a good bet these days? Because the guy who used to be the front-runner to succeed Michael Bloomberg as mayor, Anthony Weiner, turned out to have some problems with the confines of traditional marriage. Weiner is the one who turned out to be a threat, not just to his traditional marriage, but to his own ambitions. He's no anarchist. Just officially unemployed as of Tuesday night.
My favortite Lupica device stating what line of thinking is out of bounds and then employing that tactic for several paragraphs to boost his own lame cause:
You don't demonize ex-football players and current top Catholics anywhere for believing what they believe, even as they do a pretty good job trying to demonize gay people, men and women, who are no threat to the moral fabric of this country or anything else. Or anybody. Dolan and Tyree are still wrong, the rhetoric they have brought to the debate laced with both ignorance and intolerance...
After much soul searching I have come to this opinion on so called gay marriage: As long as it does not infringe on the the religious beliefs and practices of others, I say let them have it. As a Catholic, I believe the only valid marriages happen within a religious context. A man and a woman make a promise to God and eachother in front of their peers and religious community. Call it a domestic partnership or whatever and gays and their friends will still call themselves married. So who cares. I don't believe that Britany Spears is really married in God's eyes for 12 hours just because some civil servant in Vegas says she is.
I recognize that every inch we as a society give in to depravity is a step towards our own destruction. And with no real science to back up their claim, the true "ignorants" here are the ones who honestly believe that all homosexuals were "born that way." After almost 50 years of dedicated work, science has yet to identify a gay gene. To some extent, this is a learned behavior. And a mental illness, political correctness be damned. History has shown time and again a marked increase in homosexuality within societies that embrace it. Unfortunately, we have bigger battles to face right now. And legalizing "gay marriage" in New York state won't legalize it in Texas or Utah or Mississippi. Of course I would rather this bill not pass. But I won't be losing any sleep over it either.
I was more shocked about the Jemele Hill article being allowed to obe online on ESPN but one thing about Jemele Hill unlike 99% of ESPN who are lefties is that she also had an article a year ago defending Tim Tebow’s Christian ways on and off the field.
Indeed Sodom and Gomorrah is coming surely to Massachusetts with the loss of freedom of speech before that.
What would the Pilgrims say to Massachusetts now?
You remove the foundation (marriage) and the house (country) will topple (morally).
What is holding up the NY bill is a hesitancy to include what they are referring to as “religious exemptions”. To me, this implies the legislation will “require” religious institutions to conduct and recognize said “marriages”. Are they kidding? If this passes as currently constituted, it goes right to the Supreme Court and gets struck down! In addition, once this goes through, and marriage is redefined, polygamy will have to be recognized as well. Bet on it!
To the author: Don’t “dis” Dolan!
It destroys the next generation’s worldview, because it forces schools to brainwash children into teaching that homosexual marriage is normal, acceptable and as “natural” as heterosexual marriage. It is a lie.
Our Founding documents states the laws of nature and God’s Laws....it is the foundation of our legal system. If you destroy the meaning of the Constitution, then any whim or desire can be made into “law”. We have a basis for law and it is Natural Law Theory and Universal Truths....homosexual marriage destroys that and forces parents and schools to teach to young children forming their worldview that it is natural which defies logic.
Marxists teach moral relativism....no absolutes (except in their world of lies there is one absolute—which is no absolutes).
There is no Marixst right to redefine words that have existed for thousands of years....destroys the language....destroys old textbooks and literature and forces Christians to be demeaned in the public square and their children to view the bible as hate speech. Christians ARE being forced into a closet as has God for the last 40 years.
Homosexual marriage is social engineering and indoctrination into an atheist/pagan/marxist worldview. It is why it is even being discussed today—because of the massive brainwashing and conditioning that makes Goebbels and Marcuse proud to destroy the moral fiber of this nation....to destroy Christianity and the natural family. Marcuse and the cultural Marxists recognized these pillars of Western Civ as having to be destroyed, to destroy the culture.
Homosexual promoting societies always end up with rampant pederasty—absolutely no sexual morality whatsoever. Read Brave New World. Sex is being dehumanized....made into a commodity.....to destroy the creation aspect (the Godly aspect and most important). It demeans the human activity and destroys the romance and beauty of the act....makes it ugly and disgusting because it is unnatural using the bodies that not only demean its use, but is disease-causing.
So, yes, it makes a huge difference in what government forces into law because it affects how and what the next generation thinks. Christians will be constantly on the defensive every minute they are in the public square...and the force of images and marketing, they will probably fail and the Marxists knew that.
Their agenda—from wikipedia—it is no secret what they are doing...and obvious in all tv programming and news articles (lies) It takes the freedom of thought and conscious away from the people who think this lifestyle is disgusting and narcissistic. It is fascism and a result of political correctness which is cultural Marxism (which is evil) :
“It is an agenda that they basically set in the late 1980s, in a book called ‘After the Ball,’ where they laid out a six-point plan for how they could transform the beliefs of ordinary Americans with regard to homosexual behavior — in a decade-long time frame.... They admit it privately, but they will not say that publicly. In their private publications, homosexual activists make it very clear that there is an agenda. The six-point agenda that they laid out in 1989 was explicit: Talk about gays and gayness as loudly and as often as possible... Portray gays as victims, not as aggressive challengers... Give homosexual protectors a just cause... Make gays look good... Make the victimizers look bad... Get funds from corporate America..”
Mike Lupica and his crowd make me think of the saying:”what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul”.
Lupica is the ultimate kneepadder
It will, in the end, infringe upon the the religious beliefs and practices of others. This is little more than the setting up of the re-writing of Scripture by the power of government guns. That is the end game here...
the infowarrior
So if someone is bisexual do they have the right to marry a man and a woman?
Perhaps I wasn't clear on this point: All marriages performed outside of religious sacrament are nothing more than "civil unions." My understanding of marriage is that you're not married unless God is involved. Period. So I really doesn't make a difference to me what the deviants in Chelsea and on Fire Island call their living arrangement.
Congregations with strong convictions will not allow the left to influence their beliefs and practices. Right or wrong, the Catholic Church has ignored pressure from feminists to ordain women, and I have no doubt that it will continue to do so, just as it continues to be the loudest voice (among many) that homosexuality is in fact a sin.
To the author: Don’t “dis” Dolan!
Really?
It will, in the end, infringe upon the the religious beliefs and practices of others.
It already has in Massachusetts...
Massachusetts man fired from corporation over Christian belief in traditional marriage
“Same-sex marriage is the law” he was told...
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/vadala/index.html
Any state senator can be reached at 518-455=2800.
When I called Leader Dean Skelos’s office, it was an answering machine, but I left a message saying he should not allow the bill to got to the floor, and the Dems would probably do the same thing if it were the other way around.
I also said there’s not much difference between the Dems and Republicans in NYS.
Kill the bill!
Archbishop Dolan is a wonderful man and is well-loved and respected in Milwaukee, as well as St. Louis and Rome. There are legions of people who expect him to be chosen the first American Pope. He’s got to be named Cardinal first. Don’t “dis” Dolan, or we’ll come after you!
My bad. This is the first Dolan I typically associate with sports in NYC. Dissing should be the least of his worries.
Second...
Dolan also tells Fred Dicker on the radio last week how he understands that those who want the gay marriage bill in the state Senate to become law in New York are powerful and “well-oiled.”
...he concluded that quote with
“...NTTAWWT.”
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