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GOP splitting over U.S. role in Libya and Afghanistan
LA Times ^ | 19/6/11 | C. Parsons

Posted on 06/19/2011 10:19:55 PM PDT by Eleutheria5

The debate was on public display Sunday as two of the GOP's leading figures on defense and foreign policy, Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, criticized Republican presidential hopefuls and congressional leaders who question the country's military intervention around the world.

"There has always been an isolationist strain in the Republican Party," McCain said on ABC's "This Week," "but now it seems to have moved more center stage.... That is not the Republican Party that has been willing to stand up for freedom for people all over the world."

Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press" that any debate over cutting funding for the Libya war would encourage resistance by Libyan leader Moammar Kadafi. "Congress should sort of shut up," he said.

McCain and Graham also criticized former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who's leading in the polls for the party's presidential nomination, for referring to the fighting in Afghanistan as a "war for independence" that the U.S. should leave to others.

"I wish that candidate Romney and all the others would sit down" with U.S. commanders "and understand how this counter-insurgency is working and succeeding," McCain said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; electoralcollege; isolationism; libya; mccain; mckeatingfive; rinos; stupidasshole
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Shuddup, John.
1 posted on 06/19/2011 10:19:57 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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I spoke recently with my son who has 15 years in 82nd Airborne and Special Forces. I asked if we could save money by removing part of our forces from Germany and other places where we are not fighting. He said the choice is whether we want to remain as a world power, or retreat and leave that role to others.


2 posted on 06/19/2011 10:27:04 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Eleutheria5; All

I spoke recently with my son who has 15 years in 82nd Airborne and Special Forces. I asked if we could save money by removing part of our forces from Germany and other places where we are not fighting. He said the choice is whether we want to remain as a world power, or retreat and leave that role to others.


3 posted on 06/19/2011 10:27:31 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Eleutheria5

Eff all that.

Let’s pull out of Crapganistan and Libya.

If it’s so damn important someone will step in and it should someone besides us.


4 posted on 06/19/2011 10:31:44 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: gleeaikin

Libya, however, is not a campaign for a world power. According to Obahama (typo that I don’t feel like correcting; him, whatsisface, whatever), the US is just there in a supportive role for NATO. Fine. Take him at his word. It’s time for some other nation to do it. Don’t look at us. Israel’s very presence would be disruptive to NATO’s idiotic mission. Let’s get Turkey to do it.


5 posted on 06/19/2011 10:47:26 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: gleeaikin
He said the choice is whether we want to remain as a world power, or retreat and leave that role to others.

We were never appointed world cop. Not our job.

6 posted on 06/19/2011 11:23:50 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

The last time the US tried to stay out of world affairs, however, Europe self-destructed twice, leaving the US by default with the job of globocop. I sympathize with you, because the role is unwelcome. But it’s also unavoidable. In the case of Libya, however, US involvement is frivolous and very avoidable.


7 posted on 06/19/2011 11:36:13 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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For that era, I tend to agree. But that was then, this is now. There won’t be anymore conventional “world wars”.


8 posted on 06/19/2011 11:40:13 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Eleutheria5
According to Obahama (typo that I don’t feel like correcting; him, whatsisface, whatever), the US is just there in a supportive role for NATO.

NATO is largely composed of United States armed forces. I think it is time for Europe to pay for their own defense.

9 posted on 06/19/2011 11:42:22 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: dragnet2

If Iran goes nuclear, just try to stay out of it. Now is worse than before. America can’t withdraw from world affairs, because it is a major target as well as a catalyst.


10 posted on 06/20/2011 12:06:34 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: He Rides A White Horse

Absolutely. It’s damned stupid and irresponsible for America to take orders from NATO instead of giving them, and then provide the major force to back up NATO.


11 posted on 06/20/2011 12:11:37 AM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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I agree with dragnet also; I don't see any mass invasion from the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact satellite countries anytime soon. More like hot spots and an ability to react with great speed to such threats.
12 posted on 06/20/2011 12:24:16 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: Eleutheria5
For that era, I tend to agree. But that was then, this is now. There won’t be anymore conventional “world wars”.

If Iran goes nuclear, just try to stay out of it.

lol...Iran? Nuclear against who? Israel? They have about 475 nuclear weapons. Stay out of what?

America can’t withdraw from world affairs

World affairs like legitimate trade, which benefits America? Fine.

But being world cop is no longer doable, and most have had a belly full of it back firing in our faces.

We're flat broke and will be for many years. End of story.

13 posted on 06/20/2011 12:29:17 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Eleutheria5
This is what happens when one RINO attempts to out RINO another RINO. Makes for good media but is destructive to our nation.
14 posted on 06/20/2011 12:33:18 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: dragnet2
There won’t be anymore conventional “world wars”. The Rats sold that to my Grand-Daddy and my Daddy, guess where they wound up during world war I and world war II.
15 posted on 06/20/2011 12:38:26 AM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella
Try reading the whole post.

"For that era, I tend to agree. But that was then, this is now. There won’t be anymore conventional “world wars”".

If ya think there are going to be more *conventional* "world wars", then I can't help ya.

16 posted on 06/20/2011 12:41:14 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Eleutheria5
Well they crucified Bush for going into Iraq and for no reason the leftists said. So I wonder why we are in Afghanistan and Libya and even Yemen? WMD? If it is to ensure democracy and freedom, we should have attacked China and N Korea!
17 posted on 06/20/2011 12:42:23 AM PDT by buffyt (Abortion is the ultimate CHILD ABUSE!)
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To: Eleutheria5

Somewhere along the line our leaders forgot that a strong military isn’t supposed to be used as the world’s policeman. We have a strong military so that we do NOT have to constantly use it.

As I recall, this started with Clinton in Bosnia. Democrat administrations are generally hostile to the military, but they sure like to use it...a lot. Isolationism isn’t the answer, but neither are these expeditionary wars all over the planet!


18 posted on 06/20/2011 1:26:21 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Coming soon...DADT for Christians!)
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Rides...: “More like hot spots and an ability to react with great speed to such threats.”

That’s why the nation needs overseas bases so that we can preposition assets and quickly react to threats. Those forward bases give our leaders options. The problem isn’t the bases. It’s that our leaders keep using the “engage” option. They should be using the “deterrent” option. The only legitimate use of US military forces is to protect the nation from imminent threats to the nation and its citizens. Rescue missions to extract US citizens or protect them from pirates? Yes. Preemptive attacks to destroy threats when intelligence shows they represent an imminent threat, for example being prepped for launch? OK. Bombing Libya and killing Libyan civilians in order to save civilians? Eh, not so much.


19 posted on 06/20/2011 1:40:51 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Coming soon...DADT for Christians!)
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To: gleeaikin

We can’t be a world power with the presence of troops alone, we are being dragged down by the idiots making our national decisions

Including the aging and irrelevant John McCain and the embarrassing HowdyDoody Linsey Graham


20 posted on 06/20/2011 2:05:36 AM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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