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(LIVE THREAD!) Republican Presidential Debate #2 - June 13, 2011 8pm/5pm: New Hampshire
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Posted on 06/13/2011 4:49:56 AM PDT by newzjunkey

Broadcast on: CNN

Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT

The Candidates:

Michele Bachmann

Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, she earned a Master of Laws degree, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

Herman Cain

Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.

Newt Gingrich

Gingrich served as the 58th Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.

Ron Paul

Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an obstetrician-gynecologist and was the Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008

Tim Pawlenty

Pawlenty served two terms as governor of Minnesota, from 2002 to 2010. He served in the Minnesota House from 1992 until 2002. He is the son of a truck driver.

Mitt Romney

Romney was the 70th Governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).

Rick Santorum

Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.


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To: chessplayer

I can hear it all now, ‘Well golly gee, guys. You can’t go around blowing people up. That’s not nice. We may have to have you take a time out. You betcha’


1,201 posted on 06/14/2011 4:58:04 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
I guess if not screwing up a 1/2 dozen or so pre-rehearsed sound bites qualifies as doing well, then she did well.

Lol, your opinions concerning Bachmann are about 180 degrees from what most are saying. Your string of comments about her don't sound very objective. Actually, they don't sound at all objective.

Nothing but positive comments about her from Bill Bennett and several callers and guests so far this morning. The same on TV last night.

1,202 posted on 06/14/2011 4:59:14 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Will88

Like I said, she didn’t screw up, so its a win.


1,203 posted on 06/14/2011 5:00:57 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: Brian_Baldwin

Anyone who can take in 16 foster children can’t be all bad.


1,204 posted on 06/14/2011 5:02:43 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08

It was 23 (she repeated it about that many times), but I have yet to understand WTH that has to do with governing this country.


1,205 posted on 06/14/2011 5:05:25 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: ejdrapes

Absolutely all polls are manipulated regardless of whether or not Palin is on the bottom or top or middle. I have said this repeatedly, it`s in my forum posts, it`s on record.

I have held this opinion long before I ever heard of Sarah Palin.

The polls are all done by partisan pollsters, there is not a one that is to be trusted, each and everyone has an agenda.

As for when Gov Palin announces? that is up to her, she is not going to make an announcement before she is ready just because Michelle Bachmann is now the darling of the MSM.

There is not a honest pollster out there, and btw there is one poll that has Gov Palin in first place. And I am also suspicious of that one.

How anybody with a brain could believe any of the polls, is beyond me? Your candidate MB is going to be the beneficiary of the MSM polls from here on out, the MSM has picked MB as their candidate and are going to push her hard in the polling. Their only goal is to push her above Palin, that is their plan and it is underway as we speak, but it`s all only manufactured, will it work?? Maybe it will?The masses are stupid


1,206 posted on 06/14/2011 5:09:17 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN BEAUTIFUL INSIDE AND OUT...PALIN/HOLTZ 2012)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Like I said, she didn’t screw up, so its a win.

From Mark Steyn:

But I agree with Rich that Michele Bachmann was very strong.

From Michael Barone:

I think Bachmann emerged from this debate a more serious competitor and Pawlenty not a stronger one than he was before.

Those comments from two FR threads this morning that you can easily find. And, no, actually you trashed Bachmann in several posts last night. And, as I said, maybe you need to examine your own opinions when they are 180 degrees from what most are saying. (And on radio news just now, another comment that Bachmann helped herself more than anyone.)

1,207 posted on 06/14/2011 5:15:22 AM PDT by Will88
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To: dupree

That is incorrect, one of the qualifications of a presidential candidate is to be born of parents whom are natural born citizens. Both mother and father had to be citizens of this country. The point of this was to not have a candidate whose loyalties would be divided between the United States and the native land of his parents. This is the situation we are in with Obama having his father being born in Kenya. George Washington spoke about this issue, obviously this rule didn’t apply to the first presidents as their parents were all obviously born in Great Britian but the founding fathers wanted to make sure their was no divided loyalties whatsoever when it came to being the President of the United States.


1,208 posted on 06/14/2011 5:16:52 AM PDT by eak3
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To: samtheman
Where is Sarah Palin?
C’mon, Sarah, get in there. Kick some *ass. And when you do, say something REAL. Talk about what’s REALLY GOING ON.

Where is Mrs. Palin?? Right where she should be...waiting. Strategically, it is not time for her to announce.

She'll wait until the furor, arm waving, empty rhetoric, of the field has settled into the one or two clear "front runners". It makes no sense for her to add her "$0.02" to the fracas as at this point in time, as an official candidate.

She's watching, learning, absorbing.... she is doing a "reconnisance in force"...learning her opponents strengths and weaknesses; learning about the views of the common American out there on the bus trail, all from the relative safety of "non candidacy".....as she should.

She has time....time to reconnoiter....time to watch and see if the stain is able to turn things around...or not.

"Down the road" so to speak, she'll determine if she believes that the then front runners will be able to make the critical difference....to be what she believes could save this country. If she finds one who can, she'll support them, and likely get them elected. If she finds the same wasteland that exists today, ....she'll enter.

Timeline: probably late fall or early winter, 2011 to January, 2012.

Watch how she operates from now till then....she is brilliant....

And be patient....learn with her....trust....she's very much with us.

1,209 posted on 06/14/2011 5:30:48 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason (The stain must be ERADICATED....NOW!!)
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To: Will88
Just more subjective statements with no baseline and more basis for measurement. No more or less valid than mine.

Very strong? Steyn has always liked her, so he will see what he wants to see

a more serious competitor? So she moves from the back bench to the next the last bench.

I fully expect her to say something incredibly stupid in the next week or so and return to her rightful place on the back row.

1,210 posted on 06/14/2011 5:49:42 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Spare me. Mrs. Bachmann’s performance was Bush League. She doesn't belong on the same stage with Newt, Santorum, Pawlenty. She is a B teamer with only one purpose.

And you never told up specifically what Bachmann's "one purpose" is. Enlighten us.

1,211 posted on 06/14/2011 5:56:35 AM PDT by Will88
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To: truthfreedom
I think Ron Paul is pretty much a Libertarian to the point where I find myself questioning his ardor for the Constitution (I think he, like Patrick Henry, would have been a vehement anti-federalist (I think maybe still is).) I've heard him apply the Constitution in questionable ways sometimes.

I think when it comes to economic matters Paul is on target because the free market, the only real creator of wealth, demands...well, freedom - from government interference (a problem from the get-go because the government is Constitutionally assigned the job of printing money).

We all know Paul gets in the most trouble in foreign policy where his isolationist/Libertarianism really gets convoluted, IMO.

1,212 posted on 06/14/2011 5:58:16 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: Will88

To try and latch on to a VP seat.


1,213 posted on 06/14/2011 5:58:46 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: Sybeck1

What I was wondering is if Michele could prove to me that she has stopped beating her foster kids.

(Eyes Rolling on your “she has to prove to me she’s not a stalking horse for mittens by attacking him directly”.)

Every time I see this posted, I have to burst out laughing.


1,214 posted on 06/14/2011 6:00:40 AM PDT by txrangerette ("...HOLD TO THE TRUTH; SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR." - Glenn Beck)
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Last night was an "introduction" for her. She's running for the Republican nomination and mentioning the foster kids burnishes her social conservative and family values credentials. While Hillary wrote, "It Takes A Village," Bachmann brought one into her own home.

Doesn't matter to you, I'm sure. You probably think Bachmann is in league with Romney to block Palin's coronation.

1,215 posted on 06/14/2011 6:01:44 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Just say no to "the grunter" John King moderating future debates.)
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To: newzjunkey
She'll pimp the kids until her internal polling tells her to back off. And no I don't care how many children she fostered. Right now they are looking like a political prop.
1,216 posted on 06/14/2011 6:04:35 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (JMO but I reserve the right to be wrong...)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
MB is the mainstream media’s new darling.

If that's true, it means they think they can take her.

1,217 posted on 06/14/2011 6:07:52 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: gov_bean_ counter
Just more subjective statements with no baseline and more basis for measurement. No more or less valid than mine.

Lol, so you've elevated yourself to the level of Mark Steyn and Michael Barone in political commentary?

Your entire series of posts trashing Bachmann were pointless and totally at odds with the assessments of a growing number of conservative commentators this morning.

I'm staying with the explanation so many around here have come to love: "they attack the one they fear".

1,218 posted on 06/14/2011 6:09:17 AM PDT by Will88
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To: P-Marlowe
Executive Orders do not require Congressional approval to take effect but they have the same legal weight as laws passed by Congress.

They are controversial because they allow the President to make major decisions, even law, without the consent of Congress.

The health care bill is sloppily put together enough that EO’s could be written to cripple it with out our next President being a scofflaw.

Are you suggesting that I am suggesting that the next President use scofflawful practices?

It would seem so, quite a stretch there Marlowe.

1,219 posted on 06/14/2011 6:10:43 AM PDT by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Actually, I thought the way Pawlenty handled that ambush was clever ... poor John King didn’t get his food fight and Pawlenty didn’t alienate the nasty little rino, Romney. I know it’s not kosher, but I think Pawlenty won from the standpoint of getting exposure he needed. The man is smart and has shown he can govern ... plus, his deflection of John King’s leftist crap showed something clever in him.


1,220 posted on 06/14/2011 6:12:55 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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