So if, by painting with your broad brush, you’re conceding that the shroud was STURP-sampled by incompetents, and is now held by incompetents, and has been long been in the posesssion and protection of incompetents, and had been publicly displayed and passed from hand to hand multiple times in ages past, can you then also champion various pollen samples scientifically discovered in the weave, and stone granules scientifically discovered in the weave, or any other trace particulate evidence discovered in the wave? If the shroud’s held, handled, and protected by incompentents now and has been for almost a thousand years, isn’t it just about ruined, as far as any real science is concerned?
Or am I still just unread, and ignorant?
WOW!
You don't read what I wrote and then reply with your biased agenda! Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
I just got through telling you that STURP had NOTHING TO DO WITH THE INCOMPETENT C14 SAMPLE (yes, I am shouting to get through your thick skull!) and you reply smearing STURP . . . again???? After dishonestly questioning whether you had even done it in the first place?
You are repeating the same pattern you have shown in previous Shroud threads in the past.
Yes, sir, you are unread and ignorant. And, now have proved AGAIN you are just trolling and wasting my time and energy. I am pinging everyone who replied to this thread to let them know not to bother discussing this with you in the future because you are NOT serious in your discussions. Your purpose is to just throw turds.
Utterly dishonest.
Let's walk through THIS THREAD.
Don’t believe that I’ve ever said that the STURP scientists were/are incompetent. Believe you claimed that I did. Also believe that your previous post shows that people working with, for, and around STURP and the church were either incompetent or saboteurs.
Maybe I’ll expand my subset and include the STURPers among the incompetent/malevolent, if they were this careless and trusting.
So if, by painting with your broad brush, you’re conceding that the shroud was STURP-sampled by incompetents, and is now held by incompetents, and has been long been in the posesssion and protection of incompetents
So, in a matter of six posts (#125 - #129 inclusive) on this one thread, you go from denying you've ever trashed STURP, to saying you *should* trash them, based on other peoples' error, to calling STURP incompetent.
And all this, not in the absence of information, which might have been excusable, but in the face of being told some of the political machinations behind the scenes which ALLOWED the faulty testing despite STURP's objections.
Notice your fundamentally dishonest double standard extant in post #129.
and had been publicly displayed and passed from hand to hand multiple times in ages past, can you then also champion various pollen samples scientifically discovered in the weave, and stone granules scientifically discovered in the weave, or any other trace particulate evidence discovered in the wave? If the shroud’s held, handled, and protected by incompentents now and has been for almost a thousand years, isn’t it just about ruined, as far as any real science is concerned?
So according to you, any physical testing on the Shroud consistent with first-century provenance may be explained away on the basis of lack of chain of custody (a subject *I* first brought up, not you); but any physical testing which appears inconsistent with the first-century provenance (e.g. French-reweaving, C-14 tests) must be accepted as completely genuine as though the Shroud has been kept entirely in a hermetically-sealed chamber since the moment it first existing.
Yeah, you're a lying troll.
The analogy (for FR) would be a PDS troll attacking Sarah Palin for toeing the party line on "pathway to citizenship" or on "resigning early as Governor," and when someone says they support Sarah, claiming the other person is a hypocrite. Despite the existence of a special case.
Here's a hint for those honest people on the thread, and lurkers:
Establish physical mechanism for each of the findings. And yes, "unkown" is a valid choice, it need not be a synonym either for "Pickwickian" or "supernatural." Think of heliobacter pylori and its original reception in the medical community...
Here's a second hint: think of valid established procedures with independent peer-review. Only those who are opposed to the Shroud's authenticity have a longstanding documented history of failing to follow protocol, acting in bad faith (throwing childish temper tantrums at not getting their way), mishandling of samples, hiding samples from independent tests even from their own labs, changing their interpretation of measured results, and generally acting like James Carville.
Cheers!