Expert: Obama doc is 'proof' – of fraud

World Net Daily ^ | June 7, 2011 | Jerome R. Corsi

[conservativegramma]

Typeface analysis shows images come from different machines

The online image of a Hawaiian "Certificate of Live Birth" was trumpeted by the White House when it was released on April 27 as "proof positive" that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.

Now an expert in typefaces and typography says it sure was "proof," but not of what the White House would have wanted.

Paul Irey, a retired professional typographer with 50 years experience in his business, has says an analysis of the typefaces used in the Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate that the White House released on April 27 reveals it absolutely to be a forgery.

"My analysis proves beyond a doubt that it would be impossible for the different letters that appear in the Obama birth certificate to have been typed by one typewriter," Irey told WND.

"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."

Irey acknowledges that an IBM Selectric typewriter could have produced different typefaces in a given document, but only if the Selectric ball was changed every time a different typeface letter was struck which would be unlikely to have been done to produce the word "Student," for example, that had two different styles of the lower case "t."

[Aliska]

Mine the first two boxes are perfectly congruent as I demonstrated for myself last night, and now today every pixel point I sampled in both boxes I get 27, 45, 31 on every single one, sampled a whole lot of points in both boxes, all same RGB. I did this before on some of the date stamps. Some of those did vary some, all some shade of very dark green but looks black. Black is 0, 0, 0 for those who might not be familiar with this.

Just to make sure my eyedropper point sampler is working correctly, I sampled points on the lighter green hash background, and the numbers change as you would expect.

I don't know what document you're working with; I didn't download my two copies until May 3.

Thanks for telling me how to find my color window back. I'm still getting used to CS5 although thankfully most of the basic features I'm so used to are essentially the same. Sometimes I close photoshop and my small windows are left open on my desktop, and I have to close them separately. Yep, did it again.

[Tex-Con-Man]

Apparently you got enough free time to spend on the “birther” threads...

Not to worry...that last post only took me about 10 seconds. You may now return to your regularly scheduled WND/Birther "defending the Constitution" thread. (I just want you to know we're all counting on you...)

[conservativegramma]

Listen lardbow....I'm calling for the INVESTIGATION of those who have been covering up for Obama. This thing has moved BEYOND any birth certificate conspiracy et. al. We're now in the realm of forged documents and stolen S.S. numbers.

Investigations into these matters, not eligibility, should be conducted immediately. If person(s) involved in these matters, or person(s) who are helping deflect and coverup these felonies perpetrated by our current usurper in chief are subsequently investigated, tried, and convicted, then hanging, which IS the prescribed punishment for treason, should be the result. Only a troll would object.

You seem to have an inordinate amount of FEAR regarding any investigations even being discussed. Res Ipsa Loquitur.

Citizen to Rep. Darrell Issa: Focus on Hawaii!

[IamConservative]

The same attention should be given to the 1 digits in the serial number. The rightmost 1 digit does not have the downward hooking serif of those to its left. It’s kind of obvious it’s a different font.

I am as skeptical as any hear about Obama's background. Never have we known so little about our President and that does bother me. That said, I would question how much weight we can put on declaring there are different fonts in this document. The scanning, digitizing and displaying of images is not perfect. There are different scan rates, resolutions, encoding, decoding, etc. Just as audio can become distorted though encoding, decoding, transmission, and so on, so can images pick up digital processing artifacts. Blown up as some of the examples are makes things even less reliable.

[El Sordo]

I argue that it’s wrong to post it without understanding its pedigree and clearly stating that it was manufactured as a prank.

[Longbow1969]

This thing has moved BEYOND any birth certificate conspiracy et. al.

Oh nonsense. Legally, this birther stuff is going absolutely nowhere - and Congress has no interest in it either. Your new conspiracies, to include Da Vinci code like smiley faces as I recall, are literally being laughed off the air. The only people that take this stuff seriously are a group of fringe conspiracy theorists who live in a WND/Alex Jones echo chamber being fed loopy fantasies by Corsi and Farah.

Investigations into these matters, not eligibility, should be conducted immediately. If person(s) involved in these matters, or person(s) who are helping deflect and coverup these felonies perpetrated by our current usurper in chief are subsequently investigated, tried, and convicted, then hanging, which IS the prescribed punishment for treason, should be the result. Only a troll would object.

Who do you plan to have conduct your witch hunt? The FBI? You had them along with the Secret Service on your hanging list. Don't you see how insane you sound? You've literally weaved for yourself conspiracies inside of conspiracies. Heck, you've even got people like Levin and Hannity in on it now because you think they've been threatened and aren't telling anyone.

You've literally drifted so far off into fantasyland that honestly, you may need some professional help to return to us here in the real world.

[ml/nj]

The number of suspicious features in this document is truly amazing - this is probably the fifth or sixth different problem with it I’ve seen discussed on FR.

In this instance, though, I think the author would have a stronger case if he’d done a similar analysis on an authentic birth certificate of that time as a control (the BC of those twins born about the same time?). He’s the expert, but I would be happier with evidence that at least some of those discrepancies aren’t just an artifact of the xeroxing process.

I agree with everything you said here. I was so intrigued by this analysis that I spent part of the morning doing my own on some old Xerox copies of text typed on (presumably) 60s era typewriters. One of the typewriters was my own so I know it was a vintage 1960s manual with a cloth ribbon. The other one was just something I found that someone else typed in 1970 +/- one year. I was interested in observing the consistency or lack of it in characters typed on the same machine, and how different the characters on two different typewriters might be.

First I'll present my samples and then I make some observations.

Here's the raw sample from my typewriter:

And here's the raw sample from some other typewriter:

Next I present side-by-side a few letters from both samples which might allow one to make some observations about consistencies and differences:

Two of the things that I was really impressed by in the Irey/WND analysis were the n's of different sizes, and the 'A' where one cross staff isn't horizontal. But now I'm not so sure. If you look at the double-n in 'Connecticut' at positions 216 & 217 in the sample from my typewriter, the 'n' at 217 appears smaller than the one at 216. I know Irey's example is somewhat different, but this was my observation. As for that non-horizontal cross staff in the 'A', I'm looking at the i's in both of my samples and also position 58 & 63 in Irey's document and then isolated letters. And I see the same things in the i's at 131 & 343 from my typewriter; and 237 from the other guy's typewriter. Note that the h's are out of sequence because I thought the variations in my type sample were interesting.

The most obvious differences in my samples are the thickness of the letters (thicker from my typewriter) and the curl in the right tip of the 'r'. Also the 'e' on the other guy's typewriter looks more like a Greek theta. (My 'e' is also filled in up top.)

I'm less sure what to think about all this than when I started.

ML/NJ

[conservativegramma]

Y A W N.

Still haunting the threads I see, too childish to just move on and ignore threads to which you disagree. Nope, just like a petulant child, you just HAVE to keep posting, mocking everyone you disagree with instead of moving on. Yeah uh huh. LOL, I smell FEAR, just can’t drag yourself away can you. Heh.

(Psst....this behavior only strengthens MY position and weakens yours).

[Longbow1969]

(Psst....this behavior only strengthens MY position and weakens yours).

Seek help. Seriously. Your condition is not terribly uncommon. Conspiracy theorists sucked into a fantastic world of intrigue and delusion regularly lose touch with reality in much the same way you have. If you've got decent medical coverage you should be able to get the psychiatric assistance you need and potentially make a full recovery.

[El Sordo]

Trolling - You’ll hang for that.

Disagreement - Also a hanging offense.

Debunking - That’s a hangin’.

[conservativegramma]

Seek help....

LOL! Still making my case for me I see. Luv the Alinksy tactic you try and deploy, you know, using ridicule in a vain attempt to try and silence any opposition. Can't say I have ever meant any genuine conservatives who use Alinsky. Hmmmmm, tells me where your loyalites lie.

Mockery does not make your case, neither do insults, nor childish displays. If you disagree with the eligibility and forgery issue - MOVE ON. IGNORE the threads. That's not so hard is it now? Failure to do so means you're the one in serious need of psychiatric help - lol. I think there's an official terminology for this disorder, I'll go look it up.

But listen up lardbow....I don't CARE what YOU think, savy? You've proven yourself irrelevant. Only a liberal, a moron, an obamabot troll, braindead, or just a simple useful idiot would fail to recognize what is an obvious forgery not to mention how in the world DOES an Hawaii teenager come by a Connecticut S.S. number??? I'll let you pick which group you fall into.

[Hotlanta Mike]

Not to worry...that last post only took me about 10 seconds. You may now return to your regularly scheduled WND/Birther “defending the Constitution” thread. (I just want you to know we’re all counting on you...)

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No worries...

[Brown Deer]

"Typewriters in 1961 could not change the size and shape of a letter on the fly like that," he said. "This document is definitely a forgery."

WARNING - lots of kool-aid drinkers trying to come up with illogical reasons as to why there were so many different typewriters being used to create 0's birth certificate. Yet none of the other Hawaiian BC's have these same inconsistencies.

[MHGinTN]

“Yet none of the other Hawaiian BC’s have these same inconsistencies.” Patience young Skywalker, they’re probably fabricate one or two to release to their lying scum support platoon of fecal floating liars.

[Eastbound]

“I forget where this came from or if it’s even real, but for what it’s worth I am posting it here anyway.

I'm sure my opening remark was pedigree enough for most folks, although there are some who need to be spoon-fed. But a wet-nurse I'm not.

[Absolutely Nobama]

Yoo-hoo, Lamestream Media....Anyone home ?

[CynicalBear]

>>You seem to have an inordinate amount of FEAR regarding any investigations even being discussed.<<

Not only that but I’m starting to wonder if those who come on here trying to stop the investigations into the fraud shouldn’t be held to some sort of culpability when the fraud and theft of SS is proven.

[Longbow1969]

Mockery does not make your case, neither do insults, nor childish displays

But listen up lardbow.

LOL. Hardly something I'd expect to hear from someone so juvenile that they think trying to insult a person by changing their user name is clever. I mean come on now, that's grade school stuff. Were it not for the fact you call yourself conservativegramma I'd have assumed you were a 12 year old.

you know, using ridicule in a vain attempt to try and silence any opposition.

You really shouldn't even talk about silencing opposition considering you want to hang anyone that doesn't agree with you - including the FBI, Secret Service, Congress, etc, etc.

Only a liberal, a moron, an obamabot troll, braindead, or just a simple useful idiot would fail to recognize what is an obvious forgery not to mention how in the world DOES an Hawaii teenager come by a Connecticut S.S. number??? I'll let you pick which group you fall into.

Okay, wait, didn't you just tell us that using ridicule is an Alinsky tactic and that mockery, insults or childish displays don't make your point? And yet here you are calling anyone who doesn't agree with you on the birther stuff a liberal, moron, obamabot troll (paid I presume), brain dead or a useful idiot. Not only are you a complete hypocrite but your so wrapped up in your birther fantasy world that it doesn't even occur to you that most rational conservatives just think your conspiracy theories are a bunch of nonsensical drek.

You are full blown, classic conspiracy theorist. Full of venom for anyone that doesn't buy into your loopy conspiracy theories. Your posts seethe with hatred, and your so wound up you want to hang people right and left (including the men and women of the FBI and Secret Service). I'm sorry to say but without help your condition will only become worse as virtually the entire conservative world from talk radio to TV and print commentators completely reject your birther conspiracies. No serious presidential candidate is going to touch any of this birther blather, the Congress will never do anything with it, radio hosts like Levin and Hannity throw callers who want to yammer on about these silly conspiracies right off the air, Fox News will never cover it again. It's over, and I guess you just can't accept it yet. Please, take my advice though, get help - a professional really can provide the care you need.

[Longbow1969]

Not only that but I’m starting to wonder if those who come on here trying to stop the investigations into the fraud shouldn’t be held to some sort of culpability

Oh never fear, conservativegramma has that covered - she wants anyone who disagrees with the birther conspiracies to be hung. Actually, last I checked she wants to hang the President, Congress, the Judiciary, the FBI, the Secret Service, the media, anyone on FR that disagrees with birther conspiracies, etc.

when the fraud and theft of SS is proven.

I think 25 years from now birthers will still be reading the latest on WND every day believing that at any moment Corsi and Farah are going to blow the conspiracy wide open. Meanwhile politics and elections will go on as normal, completely and totally unaffected by birther conspiracy theories.

[coldflamingo]

“Divided Loyalties” come to mind, this just what the Framers of the Constitution were obviously trying to avoid.
Don't they have an Oath of Allegience anymore, wherein the Prospective Citizen swears to bear “True Faith and Allegience to the United States of America, this would, IMHO, mean that the Old Country was no longer operative in his/her life.