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Difficult to achieve a sufficient majority to roll back the liberal progression of government

Posted on 06/04/2011 8:34:24 AM PDT by Bayou Dittohead

If one were to list the top 10 items of importance to the American people and poll the conservative position, we would likely find 70-80% approval of the conservative position. The problem lies in the fact that even if someone agrees with you at such a high rate they may vote what they perceive to be their own self-interest on the parts with which they disagree.

I would suspect that farmers tend to be conservative on most other matters but don't want to lose their subsidies. Seniors would be conservative on most other issues but can be demagogued regarding their benefits. Business folks who contract with governmental entities likely conservative on other issues but can't bite the hand that feeds them.

Hopefully, other freepers can add to this list.


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1 posted on 06/04/2011 8:34:30 AM PDT by Bayou Dittohead
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To: Bayou Dittohead

Something that people don’t know, is that the original American stock still votes like they did 200 years ago.

Immigration is what changed America and it’s voters.


2 posted on 06/04/2011 8:46:30 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: Bayou Dittohead

So, I guess the take away is that we conservatives should just give up and accept a moderate like Myth Romney, right?

No chance of winning, so why fight the tide, is that it?


3 posted on 06/04/2011 9:17:50 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: Bayou Dittohead
Can't undo change.

Not enough memory.


4 posted on 06/04/2011 9:34:51 AM PDT by conservativeimage ("Uh, let me be clear. Uh." - President Barack Obama)
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To: SoConPubbie

That was not my intention. I think that a candidate that takes up the conservative viewpoint most sufficiently (and that surely is not Romney with his global warming and ethanol positions of this week, Romneycare and more) needs to address this directly.


5 posted on 06/04/2011 9:39:55 AM PDT by Bayou Dittohead
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To: Bayou Dittohead
"Once the parasites outnumber the hosts, it's all over." - Dear old Dad

America had a great run. Remember it fondly for what it was.

America is now little more than a land mass populated by cretins and parasites who have absolutely no respect for the military and who vote for big government to confiscate money from their neighbors and “redistribute” it to them in exchange for their votes. It is an America no longer worth defending. That America no longer exists.

The parasites outnumber the hosts now, and there’s no going back. The Democrats have won. Throw some cold water in your face and figure out how to grab every government dime you possibly can before the parasites gobble it all up. Every man for himself.

6 posted on 06/04/2011 9:46:04 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: ansel12
“Immigration is what changed America and it’s voters.”

True, and the way to combat these selfish POS is to push conservative immigration, from places like Poland, and scream at the top of our lungs incessantly that do not do so, and to favor immigration from Mexico etc. is viciously racist.

Also, the birth rate among those who believe in American principles needs to rise.

We have been in a war to preserve our way of life, and we are losing. It's not just us, it's much of Europe as well.

When I hear minority groups PROUDLY say that they are growing and will be a majority at some point in this century, what I'm hearing is a declaration by them that they are actively fighting a war against the foundation of America, and that they will eventually own the nation. These are not the words and sentiments of people who see us all as equal. These are the words and sentiments of hateful people who would have no problem with prejudice, as long as it was directed against the Caucasians that they resent and hate.

Very sad.

7 posted on 06/04/2011 9:54:38 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Bayou Dittohead

Liberals have been skillfully and patiently carrying out their revolution for decades, taking over key institutions like education, our regulatory agencies, our media our churches, institutionalizing doctrines of multiculturalism, political correctness, environmentalism, anti-Americanism, anti-nationalism. They’ve been steadily creating dependent classes, minorities of race, of age, of sex, of sexual orientation and so on. For the most part, conservatives have let liberals take over our universities, our public schools, our media, and we’ve paid good tax dollars for them to do it. It will take far more than an occasional majority of voters to beat back liberalism. It will require a counter revolution that is fought on every front. It will take decades, maybe centuries to undo the damage.


8 posted on 06/04/2011 10:01:13 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Bayou Dittohead

Ashes to ashes, it all falls

DOWN!


9 posted on 06/04/2011 10:08:39 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Victims of Lawful Plunder
Men naturally rebel against the injustice of which they are victims. Thus, when plunder is organized by law for the profit of those who make the law, all the plundered classes try somehow to enter — by peaceful or revolutionary means — into the making of laws. According to their degree of enlightenment, these plundered classes may propose one of two entirely different purposes when they attempt to attain political power: Either they may wish to stop lawful plunder, or they may wish to share in it.

Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws! Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.

How to Identify Legal Plunder
But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

The person who profits from this law will complain bitterly, defending his acquired rights. He will claim that the state is obligated to protect and encourage his particular industry; that this procedure enriches the state because the protected industry is thus able to spend more and to pay higher wages to the poor workingmen.

Do not listen to this sophistry by vested interests. The acceptance of these arguments will build legal plunder into a whole system. In fact, this has already occurred. The present-day delusion is an attempt to enrich everyone at the expense of everyone else; to make plunder universal under the pretense of organizing it.

Legal Plunder Has Many Names
Now, legal plunder can be committed in an infinite number of ways. Thus we have an infinite number of plans for organizing it: tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole — with their common aim of legal plunder — constitute socialism.

Now, since under this definition socialism is a body of doctrine, what attack can be made against it other than a war of doctrine? If you find this socialistic doctrine to be false, absurd, and evil, then refute it. And the more false, the more absurd, and the more evil it is, the easier it will be to refute. Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task.


10 posted on 06/04/2011 10:14:30 AM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

You might want to look at which immigrants in the mid 1800s brought the left to America, and who is the main problem today. Hint, in the last 100 years or so, the Democrats have only won the Protestant vote for president, 3 times, while Catholics have only voted Republican 4 to 5 times, (disputed polling), I don’t see how more immigration can help us out of our immigration problem.


11 posted on 06/04/2011 10:43:50 AM PDT by ansel12 ( JIM DEMINT "I believe [Palins] done more for the Republican Party than anyone since Ronald Reagan")
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To: ansel12

I understand your point, and don’t dispute the historical correctness, but there has been a marked change over the past few decades, primarily because of the experiences people like those from Poland had under the USSR. The majority of those I know from former Eastern block nations can’t stand socialism and won’t vote for those who espouse it.

Having said that, there is no doubt that the rapid shift of demographics that occurred and continues to occur as a consequence of immigration and differential childbirth rates has had a big impact on our nation.


12 posted on 06/04/2011 11:02:36 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Bayou Dittohead

Avoid buying anything that you don’t need. Become more economically independent, and start a hobby of manufacturing an item of necessity. That’s power in a country with all political parties bought and controlled by the same special interest constituents.


13 posted on 06/04/2011 11:16:59 AM PDT by familyop ("Don't worry, they'll row for a month before they figure out I'm fakin' it." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: SoConPubbie
No chance of winning, so why fight the tide, is that it?

Gadzook, I think you have hit upon something!

14 posted on 06/04/2011 12:41:57 PM PDT by itsahoot (We make jokes, they make progress. Dimmitude, get used to it.)
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To: Bayou Dittohead

I think what’s needed if for people to PAY ATTENTION. I also think we need to broaden the tax base. And I also think we need to stop the gov’t from spending so much money on real cr*p.

Who wants to get less medicare when Harry Reid says you’ll threaten the republic if you stop paying for Cowboy Poetry Festivals?

All we are hearing about Ryan’s budget is the medicare part. Which is fine by me.

But I want them to come up with a budget that IMMEDIATELY stops ALL funding for cr*p.

Chris Wallace actually had (as “power player of the week”) the woman who runs the RIF (reading is FUNdamental) program.

Do you realize the FEd’l gov’t takes your tax dollars to buy books for 12 year olds?

It’s nice to buy a book for a 12 year old, I buy several every Christmas. To me, it’s just not Christmas if you don’t get a book.

However, the job of the Federal Gov’t is not to provide Christmas on a daily basis.

Cut 100% of this crap and then let’s re-assess.

Because right now we’re being told you can’t cut the big stuff (too dangerous politically, won’t pass, etc.) and cutting the little stuff, like RIF, NPR, etc. doesn’t help (not enough money).

I say that is BS, I might start economizing in my own life by giving up my $3 latte.

So, let’s do that, OK.

I want the republican with the nerve to do THAT.

Sorry if this was a rambling rant!


15 posted on 06/04/2011 1:33:07 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: jocon307

I agree that they need to show they can actually eliminate things. Education, Energy and Interior departments eliminated. Federal lands sold to private sector.


16 posted on 06/04/2011 2:49:19 PM PDT by Bayou Dittohead
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