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This French jet is flying around with an untested nuke
Jalopnik ^ | Jun 2, 2011 | Matt Hardigree

Posted on 06/02/2011 1:43:12 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

This French jet is flying around with an untested nuke

Matt Hardigree —Below this French Rafale jet is a missile that can travel about 300 miles before deploying a completely untested 300 kiloton nuclear warhead. This shot wasn't taken at the height of the Cold War. It was taken last week. To understand why you have to understand the French approach to nuclear deterrence. Films like War Games and Dr. Strangelove have brainwashed us into believing the whole world plays by the same rules of Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) that dictate the use of nuclear weapons will cause a chain reactions that results in all of us dying a fiery death while a few generals in a bunker strip down for a game of post-apocalyptic hide-the-warhead with their secretaries.

The French don't traffic in that nonsense. It's been a longstanding policy of the country, going back to the Cold War, to keep a few aircraft-based weapons around to fire off as a "warning shot." The basic idea was to stop an advancing horde of Soviets and other Warsaw Pact countries from overrunning France by dropping a small tactical nuclear weapon somewhere they'd notice.

On one hand, averting an all-out global conflict by using a small nuclear device isn't the worst last ditch effort idea. On the other hand, as Defense Tech points out, "I'm not sure how effective nuclear warning shots are if the other guy has nukes, too." Whatever sense this policy made in 1986 when the first jets equipped with these short range deterrence nuclear weapons launched, it's increasingly questionable what use they are now that the risk of dirty Ukrainians storming the Champs-Élysées is pretty low.

But it still exists. Here's a quote from then French President Jacques Chirac in 2006 regarding the country's willingness to use nuclear weapons in self defense even if someone else hasn't fired them.

"Leaders of States resorting to terrorist means against us, as those who might consider, one way or the other, weapons of mass destruction, must understand that they risk a firm and adapted response from us. And this response can be of a conventional nature. It can also be of another nature."

It doesn't take much to read between the lines there, but that quote comes from a report by the Stimson Center on the French Nuclear policy [Stimson.org (PDF)] that includes this comforting assurance:

French policy makes clear that when referring to deterrence, they are referring to nuclear deterrence; the two words are still very much associated in the nation's strategic culture.

With this policy in mind, the French went about updating the arsenal of the Force de Frappe — tasked with carrying out France's nuclear deterrence and making frozen coffee drinks.

The original ASMP nuclear missiles launched in 1986 on board a small number of Mirage jets and were recently replaced by the advanced ASMP-A tactical missiles with a longer range (300 miles) and the ability to attack a target at a lower angle.

Successful tests of the missile itself were conducted last fall, but a ban on nuclear weapons testing means they couldn't test the warhead and instead relied on old test data and computer simulation.

All this takes us to last week when the newer and more advanced Rafale jet from Strike Squadron 1/91 was spotted taking off from the Istres base along the Mediterranean coast by an aviation photographer with the telltale red-tipped standoff ramjet missile underwing in "Nuclear strike" configuration.

Currently, the main conflict theater for the French air force is Libya, where Rafale jets are being used. Technically, under the current French nuclear doctrine it could launch one of these nukes at Tripoli if Qaddafi were to, say, get terrorist forces to set off chemical weapons around the Eiffel Tower.

It's an unlikely scenario, perhaps even more unlikely than one of these jets crashing or going all "broken arrow" in the hands of an insane pilot, which makes the fact that they're up there at all a little unnerving. We prefer the American approach of carrying warheads around in 18-wheelers.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; forcedefrappe; france; nuclear; rafale
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To: Noumenon

don’t think I have any Irish in me but I whole heartily agree!

.............then, Irag and Afghanistan and all that carnage to our military guys/gals could have been avoided..........

..........I think you left off Kabul and Karachi though!


21 posted on 06/02/2011 2:31:12 PM PDT by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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To: eCSMaster
What exactly is in that thing?

A black stone, around the size of a football. I's kinda crumbling, so it's bound about with silver wire. It's placed inside a silver receptacle somewhat resembling an upright toilet seat, and the faithful lean in to kiss it.

The original one was probably a meteor, during its time it is said to have been replaced several times because of wear and tear.

This is what defines the muslims. They slaughtered the original owners and made it their totem.

22 posted on 06/02/2011 2:35:31 PM PDT by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: SpaceBar

Actually yes they have . It is why France no longer has military conscription .

The courts said that they could not give the weird beards special treatment with regard to I.Q. tests & religeon when it came to entrusting the nuclear arsenal as the weird beards were “presumed” to be honorable & loyal French men doing their civic duty via military conscription .

The French not being totally stupid did away with the draft rather than trust ali baba to guard a nuke.


23 posted on 06/02/2011 2:42:24 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: cripplecreek

resistance is few-tile


24 posted on 06/02/2011 2:44:38 PM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I would guess the pilot entrusted with this payload is feeling like a BSD right now.


25 posted on 06/02/2011 2:50:56 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Hopefully, it’s not some French muslim flying that plane.


26 posted on 06/02/2011 2:56:10 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: Hardraade

I love the romance of it all. Release our rapist now Obama, the message’s been sent loud and clear!


27 posted on 06/02/2011 2:59:06 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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To: Waco

And then perhaps there could be a semblance of peace in this world.


28 posted on 06/02/2011 3:02:38 PM PDT by 353FMG (The M1911 is mightier than the sword.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

We prefer the American approach of carrying warheads around in 18-wheelers.


Do tell, how?


29 posted on 06/02/2011 3:07:25 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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To: eCSMaster
The curtained building is the Kaaba at the center of the Grand Mosque in Mecca (the Masjid al-Haram).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaaba

30 posted on 06/02/2011 3:10:24 PM PDT by El Sordo (The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sacre bleu!


31 posted on 06/02/2011 3:12:30 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Below this French Rafale jet is a missile that can travel about 300 miles before deploying a completely untested 300 kiloton nuclear warhead.

Firing a tested one wouldn't make much sense.

32 posted on 06/02/2011 3:37:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Yesterday I meditated, today I seek balance. That was Zen, this is Tao.)
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To: Vaquero

I’m sure they’d be willing to “test” it, given the right circumstances/provocation. >PS


33 posted on 06/02/2011 3:51:44 PM PDT by PiperShade
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To: SoldierDad
Awfully small for 300 Kiloton’s!

Nope. About the right size even for 1970's nuke design.

34 posted on 06/02/2011 4:06:26 PM PDT by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: STD
We prefer the American approach of carrying warheads around in 18-wheelers. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do tell, how?

Ask me. Former NNSA/OST here.

35 posted on 06/02/2011 5:10:28 PM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: OldMissileer

I often watched SRAM’s being loaded/unloaded from B-52’s in the mid to late 70’s while working security in the AF. The SRAM, with a variable yield of 17 Kilotons (fission) to 210 Kilotons (tritium boosted fusion) were significantly larger than the missle under this French jet.


38 posted on 06/02/2011 6:49:26 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: DCBryan1

How are US missiles deployed on 18 wheelers. I thought MX was broken up long ago


39 posted on 06/02/2011 7:21:48 PM PDT by STD ('Be Ye holy, for I am holy')
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To: SoldierDad; OldMissileer

The ASMP is longer than the SRAM but lesser in diameter and weight, using a newer ramjet system.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/france/bomber/asmp.htm

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-69.html


40 posted on 06/02/2011 8:47:15 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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