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Will America Suffer the Fate of Rome?
American Thinker ^ | 05/30/2011 | Robert Klein Engler

Posted on 05/30/2011 7:21:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: Bryanw92

Excellent summation of the your points.

Wish FR had a ‘like’ button!


41 posted on 05/30/2011 8:57:23 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I am a US Citizen, A Patriot, A TEA Partier, An Oath Keeper, A Voter, An Auburn Fan!)
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To: Husker24

‘High Gear’ ... I like the state of the nation to an eighteen wheeler which was driven over a steep mountain and headed down the other side. The driver shifts gears trying to slow the descent, but barry the bastard and his democrat party take the cab and kick the transmission into neutral and ignore the brakes. It doesn’t take long for that massive thing to get beyond the capabilities of even a good driver taking over to stop the headlong plunge to destruction. And it is all by design.


42 posted on 05/30/2011 8:58:32 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: FlyVet

True enough, but all of those factors were at work in the Soviet Union as well. My point is, the dissolution of the Soviet Union - over centralized, corrupt, micro-managing, and socialist - resulted in net gains for the Russian people.

The demise of a detached, centralized, and abusive government is not a bad thing of itself.


43 posted on 05/30/2011 8:58:37 AM PDT by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: sergeantdave

I agree with you on this. But my thinking is that the seperate conferacies would have to be on continuous land so the liberty loving people could defend themselves. What would you think?


44 posted on 05/30/2011 9:23:53 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Happy Rain
The illegal alien invasion is a political thing—if America starts to really collapse that issue,along with many others,will become moot.

LEGAL immigration is more of a problem than illegal immigration. Twice as many come here legally as illegally. They are changing the electoral map of this country, which is why we will lose this country thru the ballot box. They won't need guns.

Immigration, Political Realignment, and the Demise of Republican Political Prospects

•In counties of at least 50,000, where the immigrant share increased by at least two percentage points from 1980 to 2008, 62 percent saw a decline in the Republican percentage. In counties with at least a four percentage-point increase, 74 percent saw a decline in the GOP vote. In counties with at least a six percentage-point gain in the immigrant share, 83 percent saw a decline in the GOP vote share.

45 posted on 05/30/2011 9:33:28 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Baynative

The Tea Party movement is our last, best hope. The other side knows it, which is why they are trying to demonize it.


46 posted on 05/30/2011 9:35:24 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

You are right on about that.

The problem I see is how to get the sheeple infected with the normalcy bias to wake up, admit how bad things are, and vote accordingly.


47 posted on 05/30/2011 10:02:57 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe ( "Failure to speak out against evil is evil itself" - Dietrich Bonhoeffer)
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To: SeekAndFind

My friend, the Roman Historian, told me, “Rome was great so long as her Legions were great.” I have been reading a book about Carthage, and I’m amazed about the similarities between their politics and ours.


48 posted on 05/30/2011 10:06:02 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Bryanw92

I wouldn’t necessarily call Islam an “organized successor.” In fact, if the US were to fall apart, the Islamic world would start killing each other almost immediately. Those outside of the Middle East (in Europe, especially) are outnumbered, at least for now, and are more likely to find themselves on the wrong end of a gun. Tolerance only goes so far, when people are starving.

I do agree that there has been a concerted effort to marginalize the religious and cultural foundation that led to America’s greatness, but that foundation is still alive and strong in much of the country. Maybe not on the coasts, but in most places in between. Our resurgence will come from there.

However, I do agree with you conclusion, that a fall of America would be much worse than that of Rome. In Roman times, there was less dependency on a complex economic framework. Most places could carry on, while the world around them crumbled. This is not true, now. If the economy implodes, people will starve. Most urban areas (and their surrounding areas) around the world cannot feed themselves, and cannot sustain the sheer numbers of people they currently have, without an efficient global economy.

Most importantly, if the US falls, the rest of the world falls harder, and more chaotically. Our economy (coupled with our military strength) is the primary the reason the world has been generally stable for 50+ years. Unlike the fall of the Soviet Union, for example, there will be no big world wide economy to tap into. We would be alone, surrounded by a suddenly very “interesting” global environment.


49 posted on 05/30/2011 10:23:36 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5

>>I wouldn’t necessarily call Islam an “organized successor.” In fact, if the US were to fall apart, the Islamic world would start killing each other almost immediately.

It is more organized that you want to believe. Most of Islam’s chaos is due to the western world drawing artificial borders and injecting our money and influence. The borders are slowly disappearing and once America and Europe’s money and influence wane, they will go through a process where one side of Islam will rise to the top and then they’ll have the order they need to move forward.

If we do not offer an alternative to Islam, the desperate and starving people of the world will grab on to whatever hope seems more real. Watered-down Christianity is going to come in second to a strong Islam with a message and answers to real problems. A strong belief system, Shariah law, dhimmi taxes, and alms for the poor will go a long way in the post-American world.

Don’t rule out the coasts. The southeast is on one of those coasts. If we can survive as a Christian nation (and that’s the only way we will survive what is to come), the southeast and middle of the country will be the only places that even have a chance to make it. The liberal middle and upper Atlantic, along with the rust belt and west coast is lost. We would do best to cut them loose now and I wish there was a way to divide the nation. But even the strongly religious and nationalist South is getting weak as the communists indoctrinate our children and the media accuses us of racism every time we open our mouths.


50 posted on 05/30/2011 11:01:06 AM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: Bryanw92

Maybe, but I think that the process of various factions trying to rise to the top would take a long time. Left to their own devices, as they would be, they could easily spend the next 100 years killing each other. The tribal hatreds are deep, and will be exacerbated by the loss of the economy they have taken for granted up until now.

While some may respond to Islam’s “promise”, Islam is going to be competing with all kinds of demagoguery and leftist utopias. In this country, at least, I don’t see it having much success.

My bigger concern lies to our south. Mexico is falling apart right now. A collapse in the US would seal their fate, and the chaos would inevitably go north. Any united message stemming from that mess would find a very receptive audience throughout this country.

Oh, and you are right about the southeast. I generally think of the southeast as being non-coastal, for cultural reasons.


51 posted on 05/30/2011 11:21:48 AM PDT by jjsheridan5
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To: Husker24
"Were already well on our way, and it started well before Obama, he just put it into High Gear."

I think Obama will work to bring down gas prices before the election to boost his numbers and if he gets in again it will be "Katy bar the door!"

52 posted on 05/30/2011 11:25:38 AM PDT by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: jjsheridan5

Mexico (and the Mexico Norte within our own borders) are a wild card. A broke and hungry USA would destroy them. But, they are strong Catholics down there. Would they fall back on their faith, or abandon it to turn the American west into some Mad Max wasteland?

As for the leftists, they will not survive the collapse.

First, they cannot exist without modern conveniences (except for a few hippies). They exist because of The Thin Chrome Line, which is the ability to pretend to be back-to-basics and down-to-Earth as long as someone else is keeping the electricity, water, petro-chemicals, pharmaceuticals, and communications infrastructure working for them. These are people that think that not having a Starbucks within 10 minutes drive is the apocalypse. These are people who have a bicycle in the garage and drive an SUV to the gym to work out. They are walking contradictions.

Second, when the SHTF, the good Americans who worked hard and paid their taxes and raised their own kids and just wanted to be left alone are going to want some payback—big time—from these jackals that ruined America and doomed the human race to a thousand years of hell.


53 posted on 05/30/2011 12:28:29 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: hfr

VERY well said!


54 posted on 05/30/2011 1:34:26 PM PDT by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: SeekAndFind
The Roman Empire--one of mankind's most dubious achievements--did indeed undergo a slow decline, over a period of more than 500 years, and ultimately fizzled out toward the end of th 5th century A.D.

However the Roman Republic fell--after years of civil war--with the assassination of the usurper, Julius Caesar, and the seizure of power by his heir, who adopted the name Caesar Ausustus.

The Roman Republicans--like the American Republicans--had thrown off the rule of a king and were determined never to be ruled by a king again.

Augustus therefore declined to be called king--but he nevertheless established himself as absolute ruler of what had been the Roman Republic.

He immediately assassinated everyone who might threaten his power.

He was succeeded by Tiberius--who was a monster.

Tiberius was succeeded by Caligula.

The final ignominious fizzle-out of the Roman Empire wasn't much of an event.

The fall of the Roman Republic was one of history's major events.

Our children and grandchildren could very well suffer the horrors of The Fall of the American Republic!

Rule by an Augustus--or a Tiberius--or a Caligula--is a fate that those who are destroying the American Republic deserve.

Our children and grandchildren do not deserve such a fate.

I agree that the men who stormed the beaches of Normandy represented America's greatest generation.

Those who are now destroying the United States--The Left--are America's worst generation.

And yes. Our children could very will witness the Fall of the United States!

55 posted on 05/30/2011 5:53:45 PM PDT by Savage Beast (You can, in fact must, shout 'Fire!' in a crowded theatre. It just must be the truth. Jonah Goldberg)
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Ancient Topic!

Just adding to the GGG catalog, not pinging.

56 posted on 05/08/2016 4:56:44 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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