Posted on 05/29/2011 3:43:43 AM PDT by GonzoII
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Easiest and best decision I ever made.
And you are right. As my great aunt once told a single nurse “You know, we know what causes babies now!” Shocked and offended the nurse, but made me laugh! Seems like most people want to screw their brains out, but not accept that makes babies.
Two of my grandchildren have grown up just across the street from us. They are great kids and have benefitted from 4 adults in their lives but I have always deferred to their parents in everything to do with their raising.
We pay people to not marry - just look carefully at the tax law and welfare benefits. My father was an IRS agent and when I told him I was going to get married at age 28, almost in a panic, he asked me if she was pregnant. I said no and he said, “my God, do you know what this is going to do to your taxes? Don’t tell the government your married, just your mother-in-law”.
I figure getting married has cost over $250,000 in extra taxes over the past 34 years. I lost all the benefit of income averaging and we had to pay highest rate on most of my wife’s income.
We figure early, keeping our incomes separate and sharing the cost of shared expenses gave us both a great deal of freedom and eliminated excess haggling over BS. If I want a new toy and could afford it, it was mine, she wanted new clothes, she could afford it, fine. The only rule, no debt.
The cause for marital discord are children and money, which are highly interrelated. Most of our friends who had children after 30 seemed miserable and would have give us there’s if we had asked. So we chose not to have kids. Everyday we hear about the expense of college, cars, abortions, STD’s, unemployed (unemployable) kids moving back in with their fatherless kids, etc., etc.,.
Everyday we look at each our, after nearly 35 years of marriage, and say “God I am glad we did not have kids, aren’t we smart!!” We have a little code with some one is dumping on us about some problem with their kid/grandkid - “Have I told you today (rest unspoken) how glad I am we did not have kids”.
People with kids say I don’t know what I missed. What I am blind and deaf? I tell them what they missed - sunsets on the Zambesi river listening the the elephants; the aurora borealis on the Stellar Glacier watching the bears; fishing the Prince William Sound; Dining with the aboriginals in the Aussie Outback; dropping rocks 11,000 feet into the ocean from the Southern Alps in New Zealand.
Yep, an extra fancy safari costs 2 months tuition at a private university. I know exactly what I would have missed..., Early retirement. If I had listened to my father, I could have retired even earlier, that $250,000 would be $1.5 mil now and I suspect I would still be with the same Lady.
“...your life is guaranteed to be an expensive hell for up to 18 years...”
I’m assuming you’re talking about the kids? It ends up costing them much more than it does either of the parents.
What I don’t understand is alimony. Why...I thought that women were equal? Even if they get the kids they get child support.
Can't agree more.
I'm sure as the sun will come up tomorrow my mother in law (now on her third divorce) lived anywhere near us our 30 year marriage would have be a living hell with her butting in every day.
Still after 30 years and raising six kids she warns my wife I might leave her so she better be prepared (whatever that means)
Thankfully she lives 2,000 miles away.
...and it only took me 15 years to convince my mother I'm not a doctor or lawyer became I married her. She actually sort of likes her now....sort of LOL
You sound like the kind of man who made the right decision.
I have Suetonius and Ovid on the shelf ;-).
It’s funny that when a couple has a large family, people always say, “Don’t you know what causes that?” However, they’re not suggesting that the couple should remain celibate the rest of their lives ... only that the natural outcome of sex is somehow unexpected or distasteful.
(I like to respond, “Of course. Don’t you?”)
I think the first comment at the article gets it very close. Telling guys that you have to risk EVERYTHING to get married, whereas the girl can walk out the door with the kids any day she chooses, and into a life of luxury (i.e., no-fault divorce), pretty much assured this outcome.
And, no-doubt, that was the goal of the feminists from and the liberals overall from Day 1.
As I always tell a guy when he’s trying to figure out if he should marry a particular girl...ask himself what the girl’s friends and family would advise her to do if things get rough. Would they say “stick it out, make it work, that’s how we do things”, or would they say “I told you so, he’s a jerk, leave him”? And the best way to answer that question is to look at her friends and family. Are they still married to their first spouse?
For me it was an easy call. My wife is an immigrant with many siblings, all are married to their first spouse - same for her friends. And that’s the typical case still for her culture. My advice to guys is always the same, you can marry who you choose to, but there’s a 50% chance of future divorce if they’re born here, versus maybe a 10% chance of future divorce if they’re born in a country that still values marriage.
I’ll never understand married couple celebrating the fact that they have no kids. Look at all these fancy vacations we get!! Too bad your parents didn’t feel the same way. Enjoy your next trip to Tahiti. I’ll be back here contributing to the human race teaching my sons to read, ride their bikes, baseball, swimming...and yes soothing a skinned knee or taking an occasional trip to the ER. At least I’ll have a legacy other than a fancy photo album filled with pictures of me dancing with the flavor of the month savages....
Reason a lot of marriages fail is because busy-body relatives insist upon interfering with and being overly involved in other people’s marriages.
I agree with this. I have seen this a lot. The best decision a newly married couple could do is move at least one state away (30 miles worked but I would suggest with immediate family members one state).
“toxic womyn ... 75% of divorces are initiated by them.”
Do you have stats to back that up? While I agree there are lots of toxic ‘womyn,’ there are an awful lot of equally toxic ‘myn.’
“Likewise, if you feel you need to address pre-nuptials in any way, shape, or form, you are better off not getting married in the first place. In order for a marriage to work, there should be no concept of “his money” and “her money” as that is recipe for disaster.”
Perhaps in yesterday’s America. I told my (future) wife to sign or find someone else. She signed...never a problem after that. To tell a guy with any money that he has to put it all at risk, given the vultures out there, and the enabling court system, just about assures he will NEVER marry.
In yesterday’s world, when marriages were intended to be permanent and women needed a reason to divorce and clean you out, then pre-nups may have been overkill. In today’s world, I’d be still be single (after 20 years) and same for my wife (per her admission), had she not signed that paper.
I long for the day that men feel they have a chance at a fair deal in marriage, as that would GREATLY improve our society...but we are nowhere close to that, and not even moving in that direction (even in states like Texas).
“Whatever my wife and I have is “ours” - no matter who makes it. In fact, we don’t even buy each other presents anymore because as it’s coming from “our” money, it’s rather pointless. Instead, we go on vacations together or out to eat when we want to celebrate something. “
Having blasted you in the prior post, I now agree with your next sentence. After we were married a few year, it was obvious she wasn’t a gold-digger, and that was the end of keeping things apart, or even thinking about separate finances.
You part about not buying presents is EXACTLY what we do also. It’s silly. 15 years ago, I spent $200 on something...only to be told to take it back. Now nothing changes hands. If she wants something reasonable...she buys it - same for me. Much easier than stressing. No flowers or jewelry. If she wants it, she can buy it - heck she’ll like it more anyway. A lot less stress than spending hours trying to read each others’ minds.
“Ill never understand married couple celebrating the fact that they have no kids. Look at all these fancy vacations we get!! Too bad your parents didnt feel the same way. Enjoy your next trip to Tahiti. Ill be back here contributing to the human race teaching my sons to read, ride their bikes, baseball, swimming...and yes soothing a skinned knee or taking an occasional trip to the ER. At least Ill have a legacy other than a fancy photo album filled with pictures of me dancing with the flavor of the month savages....”
I’m with you. And with the coming collapse of the dollar, Social Security, and Medicare, it will sure be nice having people to look out for us as we age, just as we are doing now for our parents.
Thanks for clarifying. With regard to distance between relatives, we are living in a world that is much smaller than it was in previous generations. For example, one of my in laws moved to the Chicago a few years ago. Yet with Facebook, email, etc., we are very much up to speed on what is going on with each other and when we do get together, once or twice a year, the visits are much more pleasant as we are basically in “vacation” or “holiday” mode. Had Thanksgiving with them in Chicago last year and it was the best time we ever had with them - mainly because I knew we’d be hitting the road in just a few days! So we tended to get along rather nicely, despite our political and philosophical differences.
My wife and I share the same philosophy concerning "presents" to each other. If either of us want something for ourselves, we tend to go out and get it. However, we agreed early on that either one of us would have "veto" power on any significant purchase. This tends to keep the both of us from wasting our money on something stupid or frivolous.
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