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The $1 Trillion Fighter-Jet Fleet
WSJ ^ | May 26, 2011 | Nathan Hodge

Posted on 05/26/2011 10:21:45 AM PDT by lbryce

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Can we not afford to provide ourselves with the means in which maintain our safety, security?
1 posted on 05/26/2011 10:21:49 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

More GELATIN WRESTLING’ IN ANTARCTICA!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 05/26/2011 10:24:29 AM PDT by bmwcyle (It is Satan's fault)
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To: lbryce
Congress is asking manufacturer Lockheed Martin to find a cheaper way.

If they are looking for a cheaper way, they should be asking Red Green.


3 posted on 05/26/2011 10:24:56 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: lbryce

maybe we need $100 trillion for security and anyone who cry its too much, don’t want security


4 posted on 05/26/2011 10:26:03 AM PDT by 4rcane
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$1 trillion over more than 50 years ...

Bambi and Congress did not even blink at spending that much in 1 year for stimulus

5 posted on 05/26/2011 10:30:37 AM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: 4rcane

Or perhaps they don’t want bent lobbyists and defense contractors to make 99 Trillion for 1 Trillion value of security.

Or perhaps the GDP is well south of 100 Trillion, so spending 100 Trillion on defense would be retarded.

National defense is one of the few legitimate functions of Government. That doesn’t mean you can issue them a blank cheque. You NEVER EVER issue a blank cheque to government. You must apply all due diligence and oversight.


6 posted on 05/26/2011 10:34:37 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: lbryce

A trillion?
This projected cost is for a 50-year period of time, which would average about 20 billion a year. Compare that to the cost of any ONE of the entitlement programs and get back to me and we’ll talk.

Perspective: Obama spent almost that much in a SINGLE year with his “stimulus” program and what did that do for the security of this nation?


7 posted on 05/26/2011 10:39:43 AM PDT by Let_It_Be_So
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Hmm, lemme see if I have this straight. $1 Trillion spent over 50 years, vs. a $1.6 Trillion budget deficit this year alone.

I'm confused. Which number is supposed to be shocking?

8 posted on 05/26/2011 10:39:43 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: lbryce

Our nation is bankrupt. We are moving more towards a Chinese model in which people are cheaper than equipment.


9 posted on 05/26/2011 10:41:38 AM PDT by Yet_Again
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To: lbryce

The cost is high for many reasons. But a large reason is that although it’s a multi-year procurement, Congress only allocates money for it once a year. The contractor can’t make long-term investments in tooling, equipment and automation because they could be stuck with the out-years cost if the program gets cancelled. The solution is to give multi-year contracts multi-year funding.


10 posted on 05/26/2011 10:41:47 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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These estimates always have a way of being low-balled.

The problem (THE problem) for the F-35 program is the ballooning cost.

If they’d asked me (or anyone else who isn’t politically or economically invested in this white elephant), I would have looked at their program goals and said “It is going to blow up in cost and complexity across the board.”

Multi-mission plane? Hugely expensive.

Multi-mission plane with multiple “partner” countries? Hugely expensive and wildly behind schedule.

Just admit that what we learned from the F-111 program is the truth of these things, kill the project and go back to the drawing board. Create one plane for attack, one as a fighter, and make them OUR planes and no one else’s. The cost and complexity will plummet and we can upgrade the fleet.


11 posted on 05/26/2011 10:43:23 AM PDT by NVDave
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I thought the bargain was no more F-22s, we’ll buy F-35’s because they’re cheaper and good enough.


12 posted on 05/26/2011 10:44:20 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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ping


13 posted on 05/26/2011 10:57:16 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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Create one plane for attack, one as a fighter, and make them OUR planes and no one else’s.

Fair enough!
Upgrade the avionics & weapon systems on this baby & kill the F35.

I also do not believe that the F35 is a real stealth fighter against any but 3rd world defense systems. - It will be obsolete in this respect before production ends.


14 posted on 05/26/2011 11:14:46 AM PDT by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: NVDave

100% correct, 1 trillion wasted when all is said and done.


15 posted on 05/26/2011 11:34:15 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: NVDave

Based on my experience, you have identified several key factors that should have sounded alarm bells when the program was first conceived.


16 posted on 05/26/2011 11:53:34 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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1 trillion waste and in the end more like 10 trillion, what a POS.


17 posted on 05/26/2011 11:56:14 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: NVDave
Just admit that what we learned from the F-111 program is the truth of these things, kill the project and go back to the drawing board. Create one plane for attack, one as a fighter, and make them OUR planes and no one else’s.

Why do people keep bringing the F-111 up? There is a long history of may successful multi-role fighters. The F-16, the F?A-18, the F-15E. Heck the freaking F-4! One supposedly failed multi-role program and people forget half the other fighters we ever made. Kill it and go to the drawing board? We already spent the design money. Killing it will only mean we have next to nothing to show for many years of design work. We are trying to replace the F-16. The F-16 is a great multi-role fighter.

I will grant you the multinational 'partners' thing. That was dumb from the get-go. On the other hand it is keeping some leftist traitors from outright canceling the program for fear of pissing our allies off.
18 posted on 05/26/2011 1:02:18 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: bill1952

The F-14 was very expensive to maintain. Trying to fly thousands of them for 50 years for less than a trillion? good luck with that.


19 posted on 05/26/2011 1:08:33 PM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: bill1952

The Tomcats have all been crushed and scrapped.


20 posted on 05/26/2011 1:12:36 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ ("Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." A. C. Clarke)
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