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Man Burned After Prayer Group Dispute
Fox NY ^ | 5/23/11

Posted on 05/24/2011 5:15:40 AM PDT by markomalley

Aron Rottenberg is recovering at Westchester Medical Center with burns on 50 percent of his body. The pain is excruciating, his family says. He was burned when he and his son wrestled with a would-be arsonist who on 4 a.m. Sunday had placed flammable rags on Rottenberg's wooden back porch in New Square and tried to light them, according to police.

Four hours later, cops arrested Shaul Spitzer, 18, who lives nearby. He had burns on his hands. He was charged with arson, attempted murder, and assault.

Rottenberg's wife and daughters were at home sleeping when his son saw on security cameras there was a man in the backyard. They could have died in the fire according to police and the victim's son in law.

Moshe Elbaum, the victim's son-in-law, said Rottenberg's problems began after he started a prayer group in the Friedwald Center instead of the main synagogue of the Skver Hasidim, a block away.

Elbaum said that last year the rabbi of the synagogue, David Twersky, announced no one should pray outside the main synagogue.

That day, Rottenberg's car windows were broken, then his house windows, then 100 people chanted outside his home "Aron Rottenberg, leave the neighborhood," then the attempted firebombing.

Police acknowledged that these incidents occurred but have made no arrests in any of them. They also said they have no known motive for Sunday's attempted firebombing.

Cops said Spitzer, who will be arraigned form his hospital bed, will not speak to them.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arson; hasidic; hasidim; newsquare
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1 posted on 05/24/2011 5:15:40 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It’s all about “control”


2 posted on 05/24/2011 5:19:20 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: markomalley

Wow. I hate to say it, but it really would be huge national news if a Christian pastor had said something and it caused window smashes, 100 people chanting for someone to leave town, and attempted murder.

It’s the 100 people part that gets me. **If that’s true**, it’s a sizeable chunk of the congregation.


3 posted on 05/24/2011 5:22:20 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Elbaum said that last year the rabbi of the synagogue, David Twersky, announced no one should pray outside the main synagogue.

I am not Jewish, but this does not seem correct. Pretty sure that I have seen Hasidic Jews in NY praying outside (Western Wall for example).
4 posted on 05/24/2011 5:26:34 AM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: markomalley

religious fanatics are dangerous. period


5 posted on 05/24/2011 5:29:18 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

WOW, that’s totally insane. God bless him, I can’t imagine anything more painful than burns :(


6 posted on 05/24/2011 5:29:48 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: markomalley

obama voters, all.


7 posted on 05/24/2011 5:37:55 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: subterfuge

I think this is the group that voted 100% for Hillary for Senate.


8 posted on 05/24/2011 5:39:25 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

This is a scary bunch, growing fast via birth rate.


9 posted on 05/24/2011 5:42:57 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

Wasn’t it more like %105?


10 posted on 05/24/2011 5:45:17 AM PDT by subterfuge (BUILD MORE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS NOW!!!)
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To: nuconvert

But no more dangerous than people who view sincerely religious people as fanaticle and dangerous.

That would be Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Jong Il, and a fair number of freepers.


11 posted on 05/24/2011 5:57:36 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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Instant skin-grafts: Sci-fi style spray-gun heals severe burns 'within days' Using the victims own stem cells, this procedure could minimize the pain and lessen the healing period.
12 posted on 05/24/2011 5:57:38 AM PDT by wtd
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Lol. What a ridiculous statement. According to you, a “fair number of FReepers” are as dangerous as Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Kim Jung Il. Lol.
If you really believed that, you’d be foolish to continue to visit this site.


13 posted on 05/24/2011 6:05:42 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

That’s going “all in” on the victim card.


14 posted on 05/24/2011 6:11:42 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Gondring

Who is a scary bunch?


15 posted on 05/24/2011 6:39:32 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: AppyPappy
It’s all about “control”

Exactly. It looks like some fraction of the congregation didn't like Rabbi Twersky's theology, and decided to leave the synagogue and pray by themselves, and this upset the majority who decided to stay.

16 posted on 05/24/2011 7:01:30 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

In a cult, you are not allowed to leave. Leaving implies that the individual has power rather than the group and that there is a possibility that the cult is wrong. Very dangerous to group-think


17 posted on 05/24/2011 7:07:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
It’s the 100 people part that gets me. **If that’s true**, it’s a sizeable chunk of the congregation.

I would guess that a number of neighbors would have noticed that big a gathering, and several may be willing to come forward as witnesses.

It looks like a pattern of violence and intimidation against the victim's exercising of his First Amendment rights, a conspiracy by a majority of an identifiable group.

A good civil rights lawyer would have Mr Rottenberg owning the synagogue building.

18 posted on 05/24/2011 7:08:36 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Who is a scary bunch?

The Grand Rebbe David Twersky and the New Square Skverer hasidim.



19 posted on 05/24/2011 7:19:40 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: PapaBear3625
It looks like a pattern of violence and intimidation against the victim's exercising of his First Amendment rights, a conspiracy by a majority of an identifiable group.

That's why they are pushing to get a Federal investigation. Even though this news escaped the highly controlled New Square information wall (only because of the severe injury), the local authorities are quite used to turning a blind eye.

20 posted on 05/24/2011 7:32:11 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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