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Coburn: We have to raise taxes in order to pass spending cuts
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/19/coburn-we-have-to-raise-taxes-in-order-to-pass-spending-cuts/ ^

Posted on 05/19/2011 12:35:34 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear

Earlier this week, Tom Coburn quit the Gang of Six negotiations in the Senate, saying that the bipartisan working group on the budget wanted to go in a substantially different direction than Coburn would travel. Given that context, Coburn’s essay in today’s Washington Post prompts a question — just where exactly did the Gang of Six want to go? Coburn argues in his article that conservatives are going to have to swallow some tax hikes to get the spending cuts they want (via OTB):


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Oklahoma
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Major facepalm.


41 posted on 05/19/2011 1:12:44 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Nonsense, Senator. This was the game all along, to make like the eight years of Reagan and the eight years of Bush never existed. They hiked up spending to astronomical levels on purpose so that taxes would have to be raised. They hiked up spending so that Reagan would have to go back on his tax cuts. They hiked up spending so that Bush I would have to raise taxes. Now they’re doing the same thing again. Increase spending so we’ll have to reverse tax cuts and increase taxes.

The government has more than enough revenue and has a ton of waste. The department of energy produces none and obstructs all. Eliminate it. The dept. of Agriculture has two buildings. Eliminate one or both. The dept. of the Interior should be slashed. The dept of Veterans Affairs should be rolled back into defense. Government land should be sold, subsidies cut.

There’s a beginning, Senator. And while you’re at it, sit in the Senate and deny all unanimous consents. There’s spending savings right there.


42 posted on 05/19/2011 1:13:11 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Static revenue models assume that people do not change their behavior when taxes go up or down. Yet, in spite of countless examples of the fallacy of such assumptions, they somehow still govern our elected representatives’ economic understanding.


43 posted on 05/19/2011 1:14:37 PM PDT by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

No, I’m for abolishing income taxes, and going back to the time when the government was small enough to run from collecting tariffs. But good luck with that.
BTW, I notice you crap all over every Paln thread... Does minus_the_bear mean “get rid of Palin?”


44 posted on 05/19/2011 1:19:30 PM PDT by ez ("Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is." - Milton, Paradise Lost)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

IF THIS IS TRUE... then Coburn is dead to me.
I’ve never thought of Tom Coburn as a scumbag, so I will wait until this is verified/clarified before nailing down such a conclusion.


45 posted on 05/19/2011 1:23:04 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Minus_The_Bear
“Governments don't reduce deficits by raising taxes on the people; governments reduce deficits by controlling spending and stimulating new wealth.”

-- Ronald Reagan


46 posted on 05/19/2011 1:23:06 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (GOP mantra: 'Repeal and replace.' Translation? 'We can do socialism better than the Democrats.')
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To: ez
The poster of this article is not measuring high on the “reading comprehension” scale. There’s a big difference between “have to swallow tax increases to get the spending cuts we want’ and “screaming and advocating for higher taxes.”

You seem to have a more basic confusion.

Regardless of whether it is "swallow" (ie., cave like a sissy) or "scream for" more taxes, it's totally unacceptable. Therefore, IF Coburn is saying he would go along ("swallow") ANY tax increases, THEN he is a scumbag.

I will, however, wait for verification/clarification of what Tom said/meant.

47 posted on 05/19/2011 1:31:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Minus_The_Bear

How about this... raise taxes on the half of households that don’t pay anything. It is about damn time those freeloaders paid their fair share.


48 posted on 05/19/2011 1:32:53 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: screaminsunshine
Amazing that people fall for the GOP line of no taxes and smaller government.

What line of "no taxes"? I see them talk of low taxes, and I'm in favor of that, but the only people benefitting from "no taxes" are the freeloading deadbeats that make up the base of the democrat party.

49 posted on 05/19/2011 1:35:13 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Somebody has some serious dirt on him is my bet.Just like our boy arnold.


50 posted on 05/19/2011 1:44:30 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life is tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: Wuli
not a policy preference, that's simply the way it is. I think that's where Coburn is coming from.

If you have a defeatist attitude, obviously your defeat is inevitable. I suppose many folks behind the iron curtain had your attitude back in 1985.

51 posted on 05/19/2011 1:51:19 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Minus_The_Bear
Coburn is absolutely right. The ~50% of Americans who pay no income tax should be called on to help fund the military and other Constitutionally mandated programs which benefit us all. Social Security taxes should be increased on those who collect the highest percentage of benefits: those who pay the least in.

If you want less of something, tax it; if you want more, subsidize it. It's time to tax the poor.

52 posted on 05/19/2011 1:53:33 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

I would accept higher taxes... if and only if an audit of the government shows that all waste has been cut, all useless programs have been cut, all foreign aid programs not required by treaty or by actual honor (i.e., Iraq) are cut, and all subsidies are cut. Then, if we still can’t balance the budget, yes, higher taxes are distateful but needed.

But after you cut things like Obamacare and the “African Men’s Genital Washing Instruction Program” (no, really, we’re spending tax dollars to teach men in Africa basic hygiene!), I really doubt we’ll be having problems with funding.


53 posted on 05/19/2011 2:37:35 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: FredZarguna
You're not getting it.

And neither is Coburn.

Are the ~50% of Americans who pay no income taxes going to start paying taxes? No. Taxes are going to raised.

We don't need to raise taxes on the few producers we still have.

We need to cut the funding to deadbeats. That is called cutting spending.

It's a spending not a revenue problem
54 posted on 05/19/2011 2:51:12 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: ez
Coburn is right...you can’t get the Dem Senate to agree to anytrhing unless you agree to go along with their tax hikes. That’s all he’s saying. Either make a deal or wait til 2012, those are our options.

The Repub Senators ought ot pull a page out of the Dem playbook and promise to increase taxes, but first cut spending. Then welch after the Dems cut spending.

55 posted on 05/19/2011 2:56:23 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (Multiculturalism made us tolerate the intolerant, and now intolerance is annihilating tolerance. -GW)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Did Coburn similarly argue when Obama increase spending by a trillion dolloar to give us this over a trilion dollar deficit that tax cuts were required to get the spending increases or do things only go the Dims way in his world?


56 posted on 05/19/2011 3:11:23 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress)
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To: Minus_The_Bear

Coburn please, go to hell.

Tax increases means you refuse to cut spending, period. Damn these fools.

There was a time that I really liked Coburn , now, not so much.


57 posted on 05/19/2011 3:35:51 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: ez

I didn’t read it that way... thank for pointing it out.


58 posted on 05/19/2011 3:38:12 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Minus_The_Bear
More proof that even Doctorate professionals can be clueless. Clearly, his knowledge of recent history must be worse than his medical skills, I hope.

Suffice to say that Ronald Reagan is in his grave, still waiting for the $2 in spending cuts for every $1 in new taxes that Congress agreed to in the late 80's

This slimebucket may be a RINO, but he certainly does not inspire confidence and trust.

A Conservative he ain't!

59 posted on 05/19/2011 3:45:01 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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To: pnh102
How about this... raise taxes on the half of households that don’t pay anything. It is about damn time those freeloaders paid their fair share.

In a free representative republic, where every citizen has rights and responsibilities, the "Fair Share" can NEVER be zero.

Otherwise it defines slavery of a different sort.

60 posted on 05/19/2011 3:55:15 PM PDT by Publius6961 (you don't need a president-for-life if you've got a bureaucracy-for-life.)
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