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Sheriff’s Dept. defends SWAT shooting silence
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 5/18/2011 | Fernanda Echavarri

Posted on 05/18/2011 12:38:15 PM PDT by petitfour

The Pima County Sheriff's Department issued a statement today trying to explain its policy regarding the delay in information about the SWAT raid in which a Tucson man was killed. Here is an unedited copy of today's statement: Officer Involved Shooting - Update May 18, 2011 "As a result of the need for information surrounding the shooting of Jose Guerena by members of the Pima Regional SWAT Team, the public has received misinformation and emotionally-charged speculation. The investigation that lead to the service of the search warrants on May 5 is a complicated one involving multiple people suspected of very serious crimes. Sometimes, law enforcement agencies must choose between the desire of the public to quickly know details, and the very real threat to innocent lives if those details are released prematurely. Sheriff Dupnik has made it a departmental policy to be open and forthcoming with information released to the news media. When the decision is made to withhold information, as it has been in this case, there is a legitimate reason for that decision. The day the search warrant was served, we reported to the media that Mr. Guerena fired at SWAT officers. This is what was understood at that time. After a more detailed investigation, we learned that he pointed his assault rifle at SWAT officers, however, the safety was on and he could not fire. This is a clear example of erroneous information being provided without careful investigation. Rather than risking the release of further information, it is imperative that we complete all aspects of this investigation. (cont)

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; dupnik; guerena; swat; tucson
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To: Oldpuppymax

They let the guy bleed out because at that point they thought he had fired at them. So they were playing judge dredd.

Any time you point a firearm at a cop you stand a good chance of getting shot. The problem was these cops didn’t announce themselves so he didnt know they were cops. Most likely they were getting ready to do the dynamic entry when the mans wife saw them, probably causing them to enter before they were all ready.

Its what happens in a police state.


21 posted on 05/18/2011 1:08:10 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rolling_stone

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument.asp?inDoc=/ars/13/03921.htm&Title=13&DocType=ARS

13-3921. Return of warrant and inventory; copy of inventory

A. The officer shall return the warrant to the magistrate and at the same time deliver to him a written inventory of the property taken. The inventory shall be made publicly, or in the presence of the person from whose possession it was taken, and of the applicant for the warrant, if they are present. The inventory shall be verified by the affidavit of the officer which shall be taken by the magistrate at the time it is delivered to the magistrate. The affidavit shall recite that the inventory contains a true and detailed account of all the property taken.

B. The magistrate shall, if requested, deliver a copy of the inventory to the person from whose possession the property was taken and to the applicant for the warrant.


22 posted on 05/18/2011 1:08:10 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: rawhide

Not one of those “reviews” will be conducted “at arm’s length” from the persons involved.

And that stinks to high heaven.


23 posted on 05/18/2011 1:11:50 PM PDT by patton (I am sure that I have done dumber things in my life, but at the moment, I am unable to recall them.)
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To: driftdiver

I wonder whether Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio would be a good investigator for this crime? He seems to be a pretty arrow? Someone other than the local parties involved need to be investigating this. Has there been a call for the state law enforcement to get involved? This investigation by the local boys involved stinks to high heaven!


24 posted on 05/18/2011 1:12:39 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: petitfour
Clarence Dupnik? The guy who blamed the entire Republican Party and Sarah Palin 15 minutes after Loughner stopped firing?

He's the guy talking about holding back information until the right time?

That Dupnik?

Must be a different guy. Not the Clarence we know.

25 posted on 05/18/2011 1:12:55 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: petitfour
43 seconds into this video you get a pretty good look at some of the misses by SWAT on the back side of the house. Those holes are a good 5' up the wall and a reasonable group for a shooter under significant stress but they sure don't look much like they came from a shooter addressing a target that is crouched at the end of a hallway. There appear to be holes lower on the wall as well but if a standing target was on the way down......I can't do anything but speculate on this but the more I read about this the less the police story makes sense to me.
26 posted on 05/18/2011 1:16:42 PM PDT by Tucsonican
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To: rawhide

pretty arrow=pretty straight arrow


27 posted on 05/18/2011 1:22:07 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: petitfour

I am firmly of the opinion that ALL “SWAT” teams need to be disbanded and the equipment sold at auction. There are simply WAY too many mistakes being made to allow their use to continue. “Dynamic entry” home invasions is what they really do. Nabbing a few drug dealers simply is NOT WORTH IT. The only time “SWAT” tactics “might” be justifiable is in a hostage situation.


28 posted on 05/18/2011 1:24:40 PM PDT by Wonder Warthog
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To: petitfour

What is really going to hurt is when the widow receives the bill for the SWAT team expense.


29 posted on 05/18/2011 1:35:39 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: Tucsonican
Damn, did you see some of the comments on that video?

YT sure has some deranged posters.

30 posted on 05/18/2011 1:39:39 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Woah, Obama will appease Trump, but not Lakin? Thanks LSM)
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To: driftdiver

“The problem was these cops didn’t announce themselves so he didnt know they were cops

We had a similar incidence while out camping in the Southern California desert. We were camping maybe 75 yards off what is known as the Bradshaw trail about 30 miles South of Desert Center in the midst of some Ironwood trees. Around 10pm two guys that we could see came into camp unannounced shining flashlights around. There were three of us armed with 45’s ready for action and we told them so and wanted them to tell us who they were.

Turned out to be young Border Patrol guys who were traveling on 4 wheelers. IMHO that is not the way to come into a camp well after dark out in the middle of no where. It all turned out well but it easily could have gone the other way. The area does have illegals and druggies trying to sneak in the country on occasion.


31 posted on 05/18/2011 1:47:43 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: petitfour; All

I found a contact page on the Pima County Sheriff’s website. I reported a murder.


32 posted on 05/18/2011 1:57:45 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: All

Oops, forgot to leave the link:

http://pimasheriff.org/contacts/

Pima County Sheriff.


33 posted on 05/18/2011 1:59:05 PM PDT by DariusBane (People are like sheep and have two speeds: grazing and stampede)
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To: rolling_stone
Well, from that, it looks like Dupnik is just disregarding the law, which says clearly, "Thereafter, if the warrant has been executed, the documents and records shall be open to the public as a judicial record."

The warrant was executed; and so was a presumed innocent man.

34 posted on 05/18/2011 2:09:21 PM PDT by onemiddleamerican (FUBO and all your terrorist buddies)
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To: onemiddleamerican

My husband was saying that the records could be sealed after the fact, but he says that the request for sealing the records should be sought and the justification by the judge for sealing the records should be released. But someone has to ask the questions and be persistent.

Also, all records of the fire/rescue dispatch should be requested. Did they have a specific address or addresses for the SWAT warrant(s)? Forget the police dispatch.


35 posted on 05/18/2011 2:14:30 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: petitfour

By the time they are done making up crap about this guy, he’ll be the leader of a stateside Hamas cell.


36 posted on 05/18/2011 2:19:33 PM PDT by Grunthor (RIDE THE CAIN TRAIN!)
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To: petitfour

Isn’t this in the part of the state that wants to secede and form its own liberal utopia?


37 posted on 05/18/2011 2:57:45 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: ebshumidors
Execution. Get used to it. The new Indiana law allows for home invasion without cause or warrant.
38 posted on 05/18/2011 3:16:15 PM PDT by fantom (,)
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To: petitfour
What with this SWAT murder of an innocent householder, and the Indiana Sheriff who wants to do random house to house invasions, I think freedom and liberty lost the Cold War.


39 posted on 05/18/2011 3:23:08 PM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men.)
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To: petitfour
...we learned that he pointed his assault rifle at SWAT officers, however, the safety was on and he could not fire.

Inspector Clouseau assumes that he wanted to fire, but couldn't. Geez.

40 posted on 05/18/2011 3:30:00 PM PDT by Mr.Unique (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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