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China power cuts set to increase on rising coal costs
BBC ^ | May 18, 2011 | N/A

Posted on 05/18/2011 2:51:53 AM PDT by NRG1973

China has started rationing electricity to try and stave off an energy shortage that government officials say could be the worst since 2004.

State-owned power generating companies are dealing with high global energy prices that have cut their profits.

China has also banned the export of diesel, to try to meet domestic demand.

Power cuts occur every summer, but this year rising coal costs and a drop in hydropower output mean they could be much more severe.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coal; energy; hydropower
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China usually burns small amounts of diesel fuel for electricity during the summer but this is an unusual year. They had already banned oil and diesel imports. I wouldn't be surprised if they begin upping their import rate for crude oil and diesel fuel soon.

This action is worthy of note because Japan has already committed to burning more diesel fuel for electricity while their nuclear plants are down. The end result is more upward price pressure on both crude oil and diesel fuel. That could affect the price we pay for crude oil and its distillate products here in the USA.

1 posted on 05/18/2011 2:51:57 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

Here’s another article about the same subject:

http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Energy-Resources/2011/05/17/Summer-energy-crunch-for-China/UPI-20141305658122/

Note the last sentance in the article:

“”Yet Tan acknowledged that higher electricity prices would likely lead to higher inflation.””

I don’t know if inflation in China will drive more inflation in the USA but it definately sounds ominous. We do, after all, import a lot of products from that country.


2 posted on 05/18/2011 2:58:50 AM PDT by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

Do you think they’ll give us a break on our debts if we tell them it’s Obama’s fault?


3 posted on 05/18/2011 3:59:47 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: NRG1973

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4 posted on 05/18/2011 4:44:09 AM PDT by Tim n Texas
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"...manufacturers in some provinces say they are already being ordered by local authorities to limit electricity usage..."

"Some provinces have reportedly started rationing electricity earlier this year including Hunan, Zhejiang and Anhui as well as Shanghai and Chongqing."

So our next emerging hyperpower can't provide enough power for its people or its industry. This despite massive coal reserves and nuclear technology.

5 posted on 05/18/2011 5:00:42 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Slugs and Bitter Clingers Unite.)
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To: NRG1973

Interesting chess pieces being moved around the world.

I recall someone laughing at me when I said China would go into the Middle East due to energy pressures...ticktock goes the energy clock.

Unrest in the Middle East is a perfect invitation for empire building and to the winner goes the spoils.


6 posted on 05/18/2011 5:44:17 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: NRG1973

I bet there are plenty of WV coal companies that would love to mine more coal to ship to China. Too bad the miner’s unions voted for Obama.


7 posted on 05/18/2011 5:49:40 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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I bet there are plenty of WV coal companies that would love to mine more coal to ship to China. Too bad the miner’s unions voted for Obama.

I thought I read a while back that we already sell coal to China.

8 posted on 05/18/2011 6:18:23 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: NRG1973

The best thing America can do is default on its debt payments and let the entire Bretton Woods financial structure collapse.

This is just the end of the greatest Ponzi scheme ever. The sooner it collapes the better. If George W. had had the foresight or courage to let it happen in ‘08 the fallout would have been much less severe than it will be now.

Unforttunately Ben Bernanke and Tim Geithner are in charge. Lord help us!


9 posted on 05/18/2011 6:23:19 AM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: NRG1973

But, but, I thought the Chinese were leading the world in installing wind and solar.


10 posted on 05/18/2011 7:11:33 AM PDT by technically right
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China ? you have fuel problem ? we have lot’s of coal, we make deal, we set our price high.


11 posted on 05/18/2011 7:15:40 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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Well, yeah, just yesterday the Chicoms themselves mentioned that there are six times as many air conditioners in Chinese big cities than there were at the turn of the century. And people can’t really live in those big hi-rises w/o A/C. So what they’re saying is never mind industrial growth——they have to cut back industry to keep the A/C on. Another five year plan in the terlet! It’s not just inflation but their own internal unbalanced growth that’s upsetting the Chicom applecart.


12 posted on 05/18/2011 10:52:41 AM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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Remember last year the story about the week long traffic jam on a highway leading to Beijing? With just in time inventory, can you imagine what kind of havoc that would cause here? Grocery stores would run out of food. Gas stations would run out of gas.

They do not have the infrastructure to support a large, rich, urban society. They do not have the resources to support a modern consumer society. They do not have the financial or political systems in place to support an innovative industrial society. They do not have the water or agricultural resources to feed themselves. They do not even have a freely convertible currency. A lot of foreign investors are waking up to the realities of doing business with a kleptocratic regime.

Something is going to give in China. Maybe not this year, or next year, but soon.

13 posted on 05/18/2011 11:12:50 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Slugs and Bitter Clingers Unite.)
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To: EBH
I recall someone laughing at me when I said China would go into the Middle East due to energy pressures...ticktock goes the energy clock.

You think Daffy would promise China all the oil they wanted if they intervened on his side in Libya? If a Chinese container ship showed up with a battalion of PLA and a full AAA missile battery on board, and deployed into Tripoli, would NATO airstrikes continue?

14 posted on 05/18/2011 11:14:17 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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Unrest in the Middle East is a perfect invitation for empire building and to the winner goes the spoils.

It ain’t gonna be about just Libya.


15 posted on 05/18/2011 12:05:38 PM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: PapaBear3625

China uses 7m bpd. Entire Libyan production is only 1.8, probably much less now. Oil is fungible. Doesn’t work like you describe. There’s absolutely no incentive for the ChiComs to insert themselves like that.

That being said, it’s an interesting scenario.


16 posted on 05/18/2011 12:13:49 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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So our next emerging hyperpower can't provide enough power for its people or its industry. This despite massive coal reserves and nuclear technology.

We seem to have the same problem. Personally, I blame the envrio-whackos.

17 posted on 05/18/2011 12:14:34 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (How much longer can the charade last?)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Oh there’s absolutely no question about it. There are INSANE internal soci-economic stresses that exist. And you can’t break the laws of economics.

Something *will* give.


18 posted on 05/18/2011 12:15:12 PM PDT by farlander (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: EBH

I predicted a Chinese move to capture the Siberian oil fields while making a simultaneous move down into the middle east.


19 posted on 05/18/2011 2:59:50 PM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: farlander

it would make more sense for them to start pumping huge amounts of money into central asia. Then start building military bases to monitor their investments and step in if theres a problem. This would give them the ability to secure more crude and give them a quick shot to the middle east. Russia is pretty well neutered now and in a few decades they won’t be a threat to anyone.

I will say oil or no oil I would love to see China taking a more active role in the middle east. They don’t play nice with “nation building”.


20 posted on 05/18/2011 3:48:54 PM PDT by utherdoul
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