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Study: Homosexuality, celibacy didn't cause abuse (Catholic Church)
AP ^ | May 17, 2011 | RACHEL ZOLL

Posted on 05/17/2011 9:03:10 PM PDT by PROCON

WASHINGTON (AP) - Researchers commissioned by the nation's Roman Catholic bishops to analyze the pattern of clergy sex abuse over decades have concluded that homosexuality, celibacy and an all-male priesthood did not cause the scandal. The report from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York said about 44 percent of the known abuse cases involved priests who were ordained in the 1940s and 1950s, at a time when seminaries did not properly train them to live a celibate life. These men were not equipped to withstand the social upheaval of the 1960s, which was a time of an increase in sexual deviancy and a spike in crime in society at large, the authors said.

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The debate over what caused the crisis has fallen along ideological lines, with liberals blaming mandatory celibacy or the lack of women in positions of authority. Conservatives pointed to gay priests, since the overwhelming majority of known victims were boys.

Is this what this whole debate comes down to?

I believe the latter is most conclusive.

1 posted on 05/17/2011 9:03:13 PM PDT by PROCON
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To: wagglebee; little jeremiah

Ping!


2 posted on 05/17/2011 9:03:51 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

Then what cased it, boredom?


3 posted on 05/17/2011 9:10:19 PM PDT by doc1019 (Palin/Bachmann, unbeatable.)
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To: PROCON

Don’t need a study to know that the offending priests were and are queer pedophiles: the majority of victims were ages 10-14.


4 posted on 05/17/2011 9:10:19 PM PDT by onyx (If you truly support Sarah Palin and want to be on her busy ping list, let me know!)
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To: PROCON
seminaries did not properly train them to live a celibate life.

Huh? "Celibate" is pretty simple to understand. The seminarians were adults when they were ordained, and certainly knew right from wrong.

5 posted on 05/17/2011 9:14:49 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but will give us the shaft.)
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To: PROCON
It is both. Looking at a life with no sexual contact with the female persuasion ever, who do you think would be attracted to this fate. My theory is that celibacy attracts those who are homosexual or deviant. The troubled person is sincere at first. He looks at the celibate lifestyle as a way of curing or avoiding what is in his mind. Become celibate and his problem will be solved. However it never works out that way. Down the road the deviancy will overcome that person, and unfortunately, as the study states, children are the most accessible. The whole concept of celibacy has disaster written all over it.
6 posted on 05/17/2011 9:16:29 PM PDT by gusty
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The John Jay researchers, however, said that the offenders chose boys mainly because the clergy had greater access to them.

Because vulnerable widows, hookers looking for absolution and other easy female targets in a churches daily function would be hard to find? This report just opens up the debate further into what types of real safeguards the Church is putting in place. They shot themselves in the foot with this totally implausible excuse. Gays and young boys is a real thing that occurs. To overlook this is silly.

7 posted on 05/17/2011 9:18:59 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: PROCON

The devil made them do it.

Seriously.


8 posted on 05/17/2011 9:20:57 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: gusty
The whole concept of celibacy has disaster written all over it.

You present an interesting theory; would you include remaining a virgin until marriage in this category?

9 posted on 05/17/2011 9:21:57 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: 43north
The devil made them do it.

Seriously.

Oh, I'm with you 100%.

Seriously!

10 posted on 05/17/2011 9:24:02 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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To: PROCON

No I wouldn’t. What I mean by celibacy is a lifetime of celibacy. That is remaining a virgin until your funeral.


11 posted on 05/17/2011 9:26:03 PM PDT by gusty
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To: onyx

>Don’t need a study to know that the offending priests were and are queer pedophiles: the majority of victims were ages 10-14.<

Spot on.

It’s by the AP. The biggest fag propagandists of the MSM, aside from being Obama ass-kissers.


12 posted on 05/17/2011 9:26:39 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: gusty

I disagree.

I became celibate, by free choice, in 1982. At the time I was 30 years old and my reasons are personal and definitely not perverse or deviant, as you suggest.

It is true that if you have made up your mind about something and stay focused on your goal, temptation is tolerable and can be ignored successfully.


13 posted on 05/17/2011 9:27:59 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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To: PROCON
These men were not equipped to withstand the social upheaval of the 1960s, which was a time of an increase in sexual deviancy and a spike in crime in society at large

So, essentially, no one was to blame!

This is interesting, because, to my knowledge -- and I grew up during those years -- there was not an outbreak of boy-raping in the general population. Now, based on the conclusion of the study, that it was merely the tumultuous era in which this occurred, and no other factor other than "bad preparation for celibacy" would appear to have played a role, my brothers and I should have been quite unsafe working the farm with two celibate uncles every summer.

Yet, strangely, their non-preparation for celibacy seems to have been more effective. Perhaps we can commission a highbrow study ...

14 posted on 05/17/2011 9:28:56 PM PDT by FredZarguna (It looks just like a Telefunken U-47. In leather.)
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To: gusty
That is remaining a virgin until your funeral.

Uh, huh, and then what?..:=)

Thanks FRiend!

15 posted on 05/17/2011 9:29:26 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common Sense.)
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I disagree with most of the premise. Obviously homosexuality was the cause. Sheesh. And there was a concerted "lavender mafia" in the Catholic Church. And some men and women are just not cut out for life long celibacy; it is a vocation that some have and some do not have. But celibacy is not the cause of men being attracted to boys; the cause of that is homosexual infiltration.

16 posted on 05/17/2011 9:31:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: SatinDoll

Thats all fine and good, but I’m talking in general terms. Even if what I stated is true for only 15-25%, you still have a disaster on your hands.


17 posted on 05/17/2011 9:31:13 PM PDT by gusty
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To: PROCON

And after. Unless you remember that old Sam Kinison routine.


18 posted on 05/17/2011 9:32:50 PM PDT by gusty
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To: PROCON

LOL - That’s a new one. Don’t blame it on the homos. Blame it on the hippies.


19 posted on 05/17/2011 9:34:49 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: gusty

One of the weird things I noticed about the U.S.Navy, is the preponderance of gay men who were dedicated ship riders. But when you think about it, that isn’t really so strange.

Homosexual men want to be with other men. They definitely have a problem with the presence of women and do not want to associate with them.

OK. So some men become designers of women’s clothes - but they do not create clothes to make women look like women; have straight guys ever realized that!

It makes sense then that homosexual men would be attracted to the celibate priesthood. Most of their dealings would be with men who are other priests.


20 posted on 05/17/2011 9:39:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NOT FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT)
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