Posted on 05/11/2011 9:17:14 AM PDT by petitfour
The Pima County Regional SWAT team fired 71 shots in seven seconds at a Tucson man they say pointed a gun at officers serving a search warrant at his home. Jose Guerena, 26, a former Marine who served in Iraq twice, was holding an AR-15 rifle when he was killed, but he never fired a shot, the Sheriff's Department said Monday after initially saying he had fired on officers during last week's raid.
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I think your scenario fits pretty well.
I disagree with this, especially since specific mention is made of searches with warrants, in the Constitution / Bill of Rights.
I hope I'm missing your sarcasm.
I agree. My scenario doesn't have any deterrent effect because it's not very probable. It will probably happen sooner or later, but only affect those directly involved.
‘And I’m not interested in anyone claiming to be a cop coming into my home until I have verification AND a warrant.”
I’m not interested unless they have a warrant period, end of story.
Oh and unless I have a decent lawyer standing there with me.
Never talk to cops, period. Sgt sugercookie already considers you to be a criminal.
Exactly!
And if they had the wrong house or the guy was actually innocent, then they should all be tried for murder I. If I were on the jury, I'd vote to convict. But, guilty or innocent, it would make a nice dent in their family finances and discourage the practice of dynamic entry
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I perhaps should have used the words "God given" to better express the idea that certain rights are not granted by man, and therefore cannot be rescinded by man.
Thanks for a thoughtful post.
The only justification for use of deadly force is fear of life. Innocence of an underlying suspicion, in hindsight, is irrelevant.
This holds regardless of error in execution of a warrant.
And, homeowners have the right to use deadly force against unlawful entry, including errors in execution of warrant.
I always heard that, when facing armored attackers, to aim for the spot just above the upper lip and below the nose, or from there up the brim of any helmet your assailant might be wearing. Keep it centered either way.
Well, they didn’t spray bullets in Jared Loughner, the right wing nutjob who listened to too much Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck and who shot a whole bunch of citizens at a political meet and greet event. Oh wait. Loughner was not a right winger, but the sheriff did jump to such a conclusion before he had any evidence.
I have not paid a lot of attention to how the local cops and sheriff’s deputies do their jobs. This particular story caught my attention when it happened due to location, and then my husband mentioned last night that the original story was wrong. So I looked it up today. It’s the top story on the local paper’s website. And it stinks. I don’t know much about SWAT teams and how they work. I do see sheriff’s deputies out and about doing their jobs (I’m assuming) on a regular basis. I would guess that they are good people for the most part.
After reading that the Marine and his family had only lived in their house for two months, I am guessing that the SWAT team had the wrong guy. It’s just a guess. There is a lot of turnover in the houses in that particular neighborhood. There are a lot of rentals. But it could be that SWAT had their guy and assumed he would be armed and dangerous because he’s a veteran who served two tours in war zones. I don’t know.
Gotta justify the gear and training budgets somehow...
bump for later
Sad to say... Also infuriating.
The water in the toilet tank is used to flush. Shutting off the water supply only prevents the 2nd and 3rd flushes.
But the key question is whether preservation of evidence is worth endangering peoples’ lives. If they are raiding OBL’s compound in Pakistan, sure. If they are raiding US Citizens looking for a little dope, probably not.
When push comes to shove, the argument is always about the justification to assert deadly force against another human.
What the hot shot cops have managed to establish is that a break in by cops is sufficient to produce reasonable fear of use of deadly force by the cops. Since the cops are inclined to shoot first, and ask questions later, the innocent homeowner is justified in reciprocating. This guy lost his life out of a misplaced deference to authority.
Just over 50% of the people in federal prison are there for drug crimes. The massive amount of money spent and the continued rights violations.
yet you can still go down to the corner and buy any drug you want.
Credibility is lacking for the SWAT team.
71 shots fired, killed citizen shot 7 times, he never fired his weapon.
I hate what has happened to law enforcement. Black uniforms (in little local constables offices), overkill firepower, too many judges and LEO seem anxious to play military. No one who has been in a war wants to be in one. Idiots do not know better.
I just read this morning about a $900,000 judgement against the local government there for some run-over accident.
Also read about another incident where a druggie tried to leave to avoid being arrested and almost ran over an officer. He was shot 7 times, once with a shotgun, bitten by police dog and finally killed. With 53 shots fired in that incident.
“Houston, we have a problem.”
Seen that... Good info.
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