Army Move on Atheist Chaplains Could Lead To ‘Church of Evolution’

NY Sun ^ | April 28, 2011 | SHMULEY BOTEACH

[neverdem]

The report in the New York Times that atheists are looking for official recognition as chaplains in the American military in order to cater to the needs of non-believing servicemen is interesting.

On the one hand, it’s kind of absurd. Atheist chaplains? It’s a contradiction in terms. What are they going to teach? Non-belief? What services will they offer? Non-prayers and sermons on evolution? And what comfort will they offer dying soldiers, G-d forbid (oops! Even that doesn’t work). Will they say, “Game over. You’re going to a place of complete oblivion. Thank you for your service.”?

On the other hand, I am completely opposed to any kind of religious coercion, and why should non-believing military personnel not have someone they can talk to who shares their absence of faith? If you’re an atheist and you’ve returned from Iraq or Afghanistan and you’re finding it difficult, say, to reintegrate to life back home, maybe you don’t want to talk to someone whom you think views life only through the prism of faith. In the same way that it might be uncomfortable for a Jewish soldier to talk about his deepest issues with, say, a Catholic Priest, it is arguably just as uncomfortable for an atheist soldier to talk to the same Priest.

Still it would seem that those who profess an absence of belief can’t really be religious or spiritual chaplains. If you’re an atheist then what you see is what you get. There is no other reality – higher or lower – and the word spiritual is nothing but a crude con.

I am well aware that many of my atheist friends will tell me, “Come on Shmuley. OK, so an atheist ‘chaplain’ might not be able to offer the same comfort...

[YHAOS]

“After all, if atheism is a religion then banning God's Names by judicial fiat has established atheism as the religion of the land.”

Oh, the tangled web the black robes weave . . . ( ^8 }

[dixiechick2000]

LOLOLOL!

You are baaaad!

I love it! ;o)

[Slings and Arrows]

“When I’m good, I’m very good. But when I’m bad I’m better.”
—Mae West

[dixiechick2000]

Ya’ know...I knew that. ;o)

[LomanBill]

>>wrong turn judicial decision have caused much of the spiritual blindness in the US today.

It's a synergistic effect.   Those judicial decisions were rendered in the context of a society whose members have increasingly abdicated personal responsibility for their own spirituality to a "leadership" of perverted wolven-parrots wearing vestigial Roman state-sanctioned plumage.    "Spiritual" fleecemeisters like this...

...meth using connoisseur of male prostitution who, in his heyday, presided over a mega-circus tent filled with Useful Idiots who evidently learned that it was ok to lie about your income on your mortgage application... so long as you were raptured before the ARM on the McMansion exploded.

Observe this typical graph of house valuations in "conservative" Colorado Springs - right in the front yard of the Air Force Academy, Focus on the Family, NORAD, Fort Carson... etc etc etc.

"morality"?

Given that "Liar Loans" and dishonesty were a central element of how the bubble got blown,  it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the calibration of the moral compass of those "leading" the Technocratic Military Industrial Oligarchy.

It's almost as if Yuri Bezmenov...

1. Ideological subversion is the process which is [a] legitimate, old word, and open. You can see it with your own eyes.  All American mass media has to do is to "unplug bananas" from their ears, open up their eyes,  and they can see it.  There is no mystery.  

 

It has nothing to do with espionage. I know that espionage intelligence gathering looks more romantic.  It sells more deodorants through the advertising.  That's probably why your Hollywood producers are so crazy about James Bond types of films. But in reality the main emphasis of the KGB is NOT in the area of intelligence at all.

 

According to my opinion, and the opinions of many defectors of my caliber, only about 15% of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other 85% is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare. What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

 

It's a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided into four basic stages.

 

The first stage being "demoralization"....

 

---KGB DefectorYuri Bezmenov

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2095202/posts

 

...knew what he was talking about.

Morality?  Nah, that's somebody shearing the Sheeple on the steps of the temple an and, as usual, it ain't gonna have a happy ending:

Official: Mortgage fraud 'is a ticking time bomb’
The Greensboro News-Recod ^ | 5/3/11 | Joe Killian

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2714123/posts

Same ol' same ol'...

John 2:15
15 So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
NIV

Meet the New Boss, Same as the Old Ba'al
--The Who?

[Titan Magroyne]

>>> I was once discussing religion with some friends, one of whom claimed to be agnostic. The agnostic one was advised that, when you die you will see a light and should go toward it. He was further advised that if the light is flickering to turn around and run as fast as possible in the other direction.

LOL, I gotta remember that one!

You know what they say: Just so long as it’s a DRY heat...

[betty boop]

After all, if atheism is a religion then banning God's Names by judicial fiat has established atheism as the religion of the land.

Excellent insight, dearest sister in Christ! Of course, the Constitution forbids the establishment of a state religion. But these days, increasingly the judiciary seems to regard the Constitution as their personal property with which they can do anything they want.

So it's nice that SCOTUS has indicated atheism is a "religion." I think they got that just exactly right.

Atheists probably strenuously object to that characterization. Among other things, they believe that faith and reason are mutually exclusive. But note I said "they believe": They are men of faith, too....

Thanks ever so much for your excellent observations!

[Alamo-Girl]

Yes indeed, dear YHAOS!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your concerns, dear LomanBill!

There will always be the Jim Jones', Applewhites, Koreshes, Mohammeds and so on.

But a Christian will not follow them because he does not know the voice of a stranger. He follows only Christ.

To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. – John 10:3-5

Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. – John 8:43

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. - I Corinthians 2:14

And again,

[There is] therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. - Romans 8:1-9

because:

For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. - Colossians 3:3

I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20

God's Name is I AM.

[Alamo-Girl]

Atheists probably strenuously object to that characterization. Among other things, they believe that faith and reason are mutually exclusive. But note I said "they believe": They are men of faith, too..

SO very true!

Thank you for sharing your insights, dearest sister in Christ, and thank you for your encouragements!

[Melas]

This is utter nonsense. Keep in mind that I was an atheist for the greater part of my 47 years. There is already in place a service for soldiers who have no religious faith. All the bases have psychologists and psychiatrists who’re always at the ready. They’d be more than happy to help an atheist soldier having trouble reintegrating post combat, etc, etc.

[PizzaDriver]

So; are you a Mono-theist, Tri-Theist, Poly Theist, or what?

And just how SURE are you on the exact Number of Gods that have existed?

As an Agnostic, I have ruled OUT any number Larger than 1.

[LomanBill]

It seems to me that the crux of the issue is the degree to which military chaplaincy represents a nexus of religion and state in light of the fact that the founders in their wisdom explicitly prohibited state establishments of religion in the 1st amendment.

This is especially troublesome given the demoralized condition of our society along with the self-evident truth that perverted eunuchs have infested the occult infrastructure of virtually every manifestation of theocratic tyranny that has ever imposed itself upon the human species.

When the state gets into the business of sanctioning religious belief, Ba'al is at the door. 

Ba'al being a Hebrew word for Owner, Lord, Possessor, Master- typically and repeatedly observable throughout history as the merger of Commerce, Religion, and Government into a theocratic tyranny that enslaves and subjugates the Individual under the will of the religiously sanctioned/mandated collective hive.

Thus, my FRiend, the faith of Americans in their Creator belongs in the hearts of FREE Individual American citizens - not in ANY government establishment thereof.

[LomanBill]

>>So; are you a Mono-theist, Tri-Theist, Poly Theist, or what?

The notion of the Trinity isn't as myserious as some would make it.

Father:  The Creator beyond temporal existance; beyond space and time.

Son: The Creator in temporal form..

Holy Spirit:  The Creator in mediation between the temporal and non-temporal.

It's unfortunate that Jefferson got so hung up on the differentiation.  Maybe he wouldn't have, if he'd been able to observe/model Creation in the context of modern Physics.

[Alamo-Girl]

Thank you for sharing your concerns.

[LomanBill]

Mr. KUNZIG: At the conclusion of your testimony here, Mr. Johnson, could you give us a summary of the overall manner in which the Communists have attempted to infiltrate and poison the religious organizations of America wherever possible?

Mr. JOHNSON: Once the tactic of infiltrating religious organizations was set by the Kremlin, the actual mechanics of implementing the “new line” was a question of following the general experiences of the living church movement in Russia, where the Communists discovered that the destruction of religion could proceed much faster through infiltration of the church by Communist agents operating within the church itself.

The Communist leadership in the United States realized that the infiltration tactic in this country would have to adapt itself to American conditions and the religious make-up peculiar to this country. In the earliest stages it was determined that with only small forces available it would be necessary to concentrate Communist agents in the seminaries and divinity schools. The practical conclusion drawn by the Red leaders was that these institutions would make it possible for a small Communist minority to influence the ideology of future clergymen in the paths most conducive to Communist purposes.

In general, the idea was to divert the emphasis of clerical thinking from the spiritual to the material and political...

===================================

The Congressional Record on Investigation of Communist Activities in the New York City Area (Parts 6-8)

Hearing Before The Committee on Un-American Activities

House of Representatives, 83rd Congress, First Session July 7 and 8, and July 13 and 14, 1953
http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/communism/communism.htm

And 58 years later, the Wolves are inside the wire...again.