Posted on 04/30/2011 8:37:33 PM PDT by Triple
(Note:the HTML on the images was tricky for me - if they don't show up it is my fault)
Oh do come on folks.
There's an old saying: When the facts support your position, use them. When they don't, or when you get caught lying, throw crap at the wall and hope something sticks!
The latest is the National Review which had this to say about my analysis on the birth certificate:
The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.
This is what happens when you don't bother actually watching the video I posted, or looking into the provenance of what you're arguing over - you just throw crap at the wall. Nathan goes on to post a PDF that he scanned which shows his "layers."
Unfortunately, in doing so, he proved that I'm correct.
See, the issue isn't layers. Yes, the layers are suspicious, but they're not the smoking gun. The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper.
National Review's document, unsurprisingly, is a scan of a color document. How do we know? Because if you simply pull it up in your web browser (which will open the embedded Acrobat Reader) and zoom it up, you will see this:
Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan.
And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document:
Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan.
Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image.
Could I scan an image in color and then make this "go away" in an image program? Probably. Why would you? The intent of the release, remember, is to produce an actual image of a physical document and the claim made was that this was a copy of a physical piece of paper.
The Obots were all over me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic copy." No, it wasn't. Beyond the fact that certified copies are always printed to paper and then authenticated (e.g. with a raised seal) there is documentary evidence that Hawaii did exactly that. Look here. Hawaii produced photocopies - not electronic copies, photostatic copies of the original.
Well, that's even more troublesome, because if they were photocopies how is it that the Associated Press and the White House wound up with two very different-looking documents? How do you take a photocopy and have two different "versions" of that same piece of paper magically appear - one with a green safety paper background and the other not? Incidentally, we know factually that the green "safety paper" in question did not exist and was not used in 1961 as there are dozens of close-in-time actual birth certificates from Hawaii that have been floating around the Internet and have been posted. Therefore, given that Hawaii has stated in a public, signed letter that it issued photostatic copies of the original in the bound book the copy on the White House site has to have been - at minimum - "enhanced."
My next question (which I've tried to get answered without success) is where did the AP get the piece of paper that they put into a scanner? And note carefully: AP did, in fact, place a piece of paper into a scanner and published what came out. There is no evidence that AP tampered with the digital representation of what they scanned, while there's plenty of evidence that the White House did, and in fact what the White House produced does not appear to be an actual scan at all but is a created digital document.
The question, therefore, is what was the source and provenance of the document AP scanned? We know the apparent answer: It came from the White House, and had to, since the correspondence says that there were only two copies produced and both went directly to White House counsel. What AP presented is only as good as the source of the paper they were handed.
There are others who have noted a number of other problems with the document presented. Among them are that there are no apparent tab stops used on the Obama "birth certificate." 1961 was the day of the typewriter, and nobody hand-centered things like that. Production typists used tab stops and if you look at other, known-authentic birth certificates from the time, you'll note that they're tab-aligned. Obama's is not. Remember Dan Rather and his little forgery? 20-something idiots in the White House IT department have never used an actual typewriter in their life. 40-something bloggers and their girlfriends (and "Batgirl" deserves recognition for the catch on this one) most certainly did during our school and college years, and we remember how they worked too. Nobody ever manually centered or manually-aligned production documents in a typewriter. Can that be explained? Maybe the janitor typed Obama's birth certificate. Or maybe he was "really special" compared to the thousands of other births in Hawaii, and a lowly typist in 1961 "knew" he should have a "really pretty" typed certificate because he'd be President 40 years later. It's also entirely plausible that aliens really did land in Roswell, you know.
Other curiosities include the fact that the time of birth is exactly the same on the (now-discredited - or is it?) Kenyan birth certificate that has been floating around the Internet, and that registration dates on the long-form match the Kenyan "forgery" as well. How did a purely fraudulent document in a foreign nation happen to wind up with the exact same time of birth and certification dates as the alleged "real" certificate - if Hawaii never released the latter information until now? That's a hell of a coincidence. Yes, I know the time of birth was "out there." The certification dates were not, to the best of my ability to determine, public knowledge.
This debate is not, at this point, about whether Obama was born in the United States. There are plenty of people who question that, but this case simply isn't about that any more.
This case is about whether a sitting President presented an altered - that is, forged - document to the American public and claimed it was authentic. You cannot at the same time have Hawaii state that they made two PHOTOCOPIES of an original in a book and then have the White House and AP release "scanned" copies of that document which appear to have been printed on entirely-different paper, never mind that one of them is clearly not a simple scan.
The evidence strongly supports this allegation. The obvious next question is this: What, Mr. President, are you trying to hide, and we then must turn to whether a sitting President should be permitted to erase the tapes that document his knowledge of a break-in to a hotel....
(My apologies not not being better at HTML.)
Well, the images did not come through - any help from HTML savvy freepers appreciated.
I think are missing a very important point. To be a natural born citizen, BOTH your parent must be US citizen at the time of your birth. The birth certificate obama released proves that his father was not, thus obama is NOT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. This is no conspiracy. Even if obama is born in hawaii, he still not qualified to run
The doctor’s name on a separate layer is the key.
Case closed.
Sooo..where’s Trump on this? I thought he’d have his people tearing this apart by now, and would be screaming 24x7 about what they found.
Wondering if Trump was a setup - create cover for release of the BC, then say “yep..that settles it! Guess he was born here after all”..
Hmmmm..
Unfortunately, in doing so, he proved that I'm correct.
See, the issue isn't layers. Yes, the layers are suspicious, but they're not the smoking gun. The smoking gun is that there are no chromatic artifacts in the Obama document, but the document is allegedly a color scan of an actual piece of paper, and we know it had to be a color scan because the background is allegedly color safety paper.
National Review's document, unsurprisingly, is a scan of a color document. How do we know? Because if you simply pull it up in your web browser (which will open the embedded Acrobat Reader) and zoom it up, you will see this:
Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan.
And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document:
Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan.
Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image.
Could I scan an image in color and then make this "go away" in an image program? Probably. Why would you? The intent of the release, remember, is to produce an actual image of a physical document and the claim made was that this was a copy of a physical piece of paper.
The Obots were all over me yesterday with the claim that "well, it could have been an electronic copy." No, it wasn't. Beyond the fact that certified copies are always printed to paper and then authenticated (e.g. with a raised seal) there is documentary evidence that Hawaii did exactly that. Look here. Hawaii produced photocopies - not electronic copies, photostatic copies of the original.
gives you this...
Deninger is of course correct that the thing ‘released’ by barry bassturd’s minions is a composit and not a photocpy of an actual paper document. Deninger also notes that Hawaii has vouched for this fraudulent ‘release’. Therefore what was shown to the public has now become either the official Hawaii source data, or the most blatant insult/in your face/piss on the American people for questioning bassturd’s credulity/I won so I can do as I please, laws be damned. Frankly, the amatuerish state of the forgery tells me it is the latter ... We The People have been shown in no uncertain terms that the law we think exists, only applies to we peons not to the democrat oligarchs and their feckless Pubby enablers.
That’s not correct, is it? His mother was a citizen, and he was born in the US. That makes him eligible.
Assuming the docs are real, of course. Which is far from a given.
Then there’s the other thing. That is that nothing will be done anyway, even if he isn’t eligible.
You would need cast iron proof, and even then, the case can be dragged out interminably if they want.
I agree with you - if these documents represent the truth, they prove Obama is ineligible. Obama’s father was *never* a US citizen.
I also hold the view that there are troubling elements with the images that were released, and Karl Denninger points out these issues with the images very clearly. I recommend everyone find his youtube video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c93cm17_2C8
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A conspiracy of one.
What would happen to Obama and the DNC if it were proved he was not eligible to be POTUS?
He is fighting for his very life.
Others are fighting for billions if not trillions of dollars.
that is the first image - would you mind doing that for the second one?
Thanks
that is the first image - would you mind doing that for the second one?
Thanks
I’ve read at several places, BOTH parents must be US citizen at the time of obama’s birth. Yet romney lawyers seem to think you only need one. Obama 2008 resolution which he voted for also define natural born citizen as both parents must be US citizen for Mccain. Also a 1898 court intepretation also ruled that you only need to be born on US soil to be natural born citizen.
Obviously theres a lot of different intepretation, But those who believe in following the original constitutional meaning will can only draw that obama indeed is NOT a natural born citizen
Note the chromatic aberration. This document is in fact a color scan.
And here is a blown-up piece of the so-called "scan" of Obama's document:
Note the absence of chromatic aberration. The Obama White House document is not an unaltered color scan.
Folks, this is physics. It is "how things work." It is why you see rainbows. Light always is refracted slightly differently depending on wavelength when it goes through a lens - as is necessary to focus it so as to make an image.
A natural born American has 2 American parents. The man Obama claims as his father was Kenyan. No matter where Barry was born, his Kenyan father makes him ineligible to be POTUS.
The National Review has some brilliant folks...but they apparently are just about as tech ignorant as the Obamaloon crowd. Methinks they just want to get the birth thing out of the say so they can argue other things.
Fine...but they’d better kick the repulsicans in the Obama-end and get some candidates out there......
We don’t want no stinkin’ RINOs. (Ya hear that, Romney?)
We don’t want no stinkin’ “old” repulsicans.
We definitely don’t want ANYONE who’s even spoken to McCain in their lives.
All of you computer-savvy Freepers will love all the comments on the Market-Ticker source site. Go there — these people talk your kinda language. Have fun lots to read.
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