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The cover story that this was a "sting" operation to get at "bigger fish", is an implausible bit of subterfuge, IMHO. No one has explained how allowing these guns to cross an international border, into an area where the ATF has no jurisdiction, and in which the ATF has failed to even allow knowledge of the operation to the Mexican government, could help get at "bigger fish". It makes no sense. Perhaps someone who has experience with "sting" operations in the war on drugs can explain to us how this was supposed to work. I have talked to people in the business, and they don't see how this could have worked the way that it is described.
1 posted on 04/30/2011 6:47:35 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Maybe this was a mixed up version of the cash for guns programs we had in the states, except in this case they gave the cash and some corrupt people furnished the guns.

Don’t know the facts, but this isn’t good news IMO.


2 posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:34 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: marktwain

Hopefully this will be the story that ends the obummer reign.


3 posted on 04/30/2011 6:54:07 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: marktwain

It is pure betrayal and those atf agents aware of it should have put their asses on the line and called a press conference right away as it became known!


4 posted on 04/30/2011 6:59:10 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: marktwain

Well how else were we supposed to get American guns into drug Cartel hands so Calderon could sue us?


5 posted on 04/30/2011 7:00:48 AM PDT by poobear (FACTS - the turd in the punch bowl of liberal thought!)
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To: marktwain

In order for the bribes to be paid the cartels must be able to protect themselves.


6 posted on 04/30/2011 7:06:20 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Shut up and eat your Beans!)
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To: marktwain

The most logical answer would be to observe zero’s modus operendi. What’s going on in Mexico is also going on in Syria, Libya, and already took place in Egypt, Tunisia. Topple the government and leave it wide open for a dictatorship, unless oil is involved, then it has to be Soros friendly.


8 posted on 04/30/2011 7:15:45 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: marktwain
The cover story that this was a "sting" operation to get at "bigger fish", is an implausible bit of subterfuge, IMHO. No one has explained how allowing these guns to cross an international border, into an area where the ATF has no jurisdiction, and in which the ATF has failed to even allow knowledge of the operation to the Mexican government, could help get at "bigger fish".

Bingo!! The publicly stated purpose is pure bunkum, so a more sinister ulterior motive must needs be assigned...

the infowarrior

12 posted on 04/30/2011 7:32:37 AM PDT by infowarrior
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WHAT IS THE MERIDA INITIATIVE? The US Congress passed legislation in late June 2008 to provide Mexico with $400 million and Central American countries with $65 million that year for the Mérida Initiative---to fight drug wars. The initiative was announced 22 Oct 2007 and signed into law June 30, 2008.

THE FACTS ARE THESE : Mexico is calculatedly staging the "war on drugs" -- with a hidden agenda--to wage war against the United States USING OUR TAX DOLLARS. Using deceit and guile, Mexico has infiltrated the US political system, from domestic to foreign policy, as well as L/E. The Mexican govt is sending millions of Reconquista shock troops from Third Worlds over the border (illegal aliens) coaching them about taking over the US system.

Mexico is the staging area for Central and South American Third World illegals to stream over the border into the US.

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Central America and Mexico are conning the US -----extorting US tax dollars to support Marxist/terrorist movement via the Merida Initiative----a despicable con to arm its police and military using US tax dollars to protect terrorists and drug cartels who are moving across the border into the US.

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Clearly, the Mexican govt is fomenting drug violence in order to: (1) get billions of dollars in US assistance, and, (2) to help their populations flee over the border claiming they are victims of violence and need "asylum." Asylum claims gets illegals thousands of dollars in SS funds.

Mexican Federales are getting rich using some familiar strategies:

(1) plotting to become a ward of the US;

(2) faking victimization;

(3) secretly revving up internal conflicts;

(4) play-acting the ignoramus;

(5) claiming they can't "control" their enemies without US money;

(6) organizing voting blocs----exchanging votes for US cash.

ACTION NOW---Stop all funding for this con game. Tell your reps to stop funding the Merida Initiative scam now.

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Obama and Mexican President Calderon are closer than a kiss. Calderon recently came to the US looking for a-n-o-t-h-e-r handout----$1.5 billion.

13 posted on 04/30/2011 7:34:18 AM PDT by Liz (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: marktwain

Most of the guns used by drug gangs comes from south of Mexico’s border. The small percentage that do come from the USA seem to have most sourced to the Feds.


15 posted on 04/30/2011 7:45:24 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

I like that “sting operation” excuse. Next time I get pulled over for speeding I’m gonna try it! Yes, I was speeding but I was trying to catch bigger speeders. Right.


17 posted on 04/30/2011 8:36:15 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Travis McGee

Travis is this within the purvue of the CWII ping list?


19 posted on 04/30/2011 8:58:55 AM PDT by stockpirate (If they vote for socialism, support socialists, they're socialists duh....Ech bin ein Paliner)
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To: marktwain

If the Mexican drug cartels are capable of paying off Mexican military to uses their tanks to “distract” our border patrol agents. They are certainly capable of paying off the Mexican military and/or police to look the other way while they steal their guns.


21 posted on 04/30/2011 11:18:56 PM PDT by Monorprise
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