BREAKING: White House releases Obama's birth certificate

Via DRUDGE: CNN Politics ^ | April 27th, 2011 | CNN Political Unit

[Polybius]

“Nobody has anything except a Photoshop art project.”

You are stubborn in your delusions. You called the original COLB a photoshop deal, then they released photos of the real thing, then you said it could still be forged document, then state officials vouched for his data on file.

WOSG, as I said before, I am not a Birther.

I am just telling you that your arguments will get you absolutely nowhere with Birthers and, whether you like it or not, they make up 25% of America.

You can either stay as pig-headed as the most stubborn birther or you can plan your future moves in the chess game taking into account how the chess board actually looks like ...... rather than how you wish it to look like.

WOSG: "State officials in the ultra-Democrat State of Hawaii vouched for the authenticity ..... and nobody except them is allowed to actually see the original. "

Birther: "Did you fall off the turnip truck yesterday, WOSG? CBS, 'America's Most Trusted Network' vouched for the authenticity of the fake Bush documents."

Why leave room for any doubt, WOSG?

Faced with the reality of Birthers, that needs to be your talking point in the future to keep the heat directed at Obama and not at our side.

Photoshop, Layered, Photcopied, first an image with a green digital background and then an image without a green digital background ...... Whatever.

The fact remains that you still have alleged 1961 typing and writing on a fake, green 21st Century background.

To correct you, WOSD, I did not call either document was a "forgery".

What I DID say is that once you manipulate an image in one manner, you lose credibility trying to claim it could not possibly have been altered in another manner.

CBS anchor Dan Rather acknowledged for the first time yesterday that there are serious questions about the authenticity of the documents he used to question President Bush's National Guard record last week on "60 Minutes."

Isn't sooooooooo much easier to release an unaltered photo of the original, WOSG?

As I explained before, all your complicated explanations will not statisfy the Birthers (25% of all voters).

All your complicated explanations violate the KISS Principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

What is "Simple"?

(The original birth document of a Spaniard born in 1761) + (A digital camera) = Unaltered photo = No conspiracy theories.

Pretty damned simple, isn't it?

No matter how much you wish that the Birther issue would go away away, (and I want it to go away too) it will NOT go away as long as the Birthers know that, for some silly and unexplained reason, nobody but NOBODY except Democrat state employees in DEMOCRAT Hawaii are allowed to see the original document.

As I said, since the issue will not go away, you really need a Plan B for your talking point so that you don't end up helping Obama.

Try this talking point for practice:

"Mr. President, I believe you. I truly do. However, 25% of America does not because they are "Show Me" kind of people and documents can be played with. Remember the Dan Rather scandal? Wouldn't it be soooooooo much easier, Mr. President, to allow the press to simple photograph the original?"

[Hotlanta Mike]

“Births in the United States in 1961 are classified for vital statistics ...”
Your citation is relevant only to Barack Obama II and HIS classification.

Barack Obama SENIOR was not born in 1961, nor in the US. He put whatever the heck he wanted to on a birth certificate form for his race, NOT his son’s. He put down “African” on a form that then was typed up, no boxes, no strict classifications, none of that - just space for a typed answer - African. That’s how it got into the real, original long for Birth Certificate.

At long last, are you going to give it up on this and admit Obama was born in Honolulu?

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I agree with Trump. Let’s let the experts examine the document for authenticity. You sound like the Munchkins in the Wizard of Oz proclaiming “Ding Dong the witch is dead”!!!

Just relax and allow some time to pass and scrutiny to take place...

[old curmudgeon]

Then I have one very simple question to ask you.

The birth certificate appears to be perfect. Right on the money.

So why did he spend approximately two million dollars on lawyers to keep from presenting it to the public?

We do not have copies of his lawyers’ bills, but we have estimates from the plaintiff’s lawyers. They are professionals who know about how many hours it takes to defend the various cases and what the defense charges in hourly fees, so their estimate is pretty accurate.

So to repeat the question: Why did he spend $2 million to keep it from being made public?

[jda]

. . . but if someone is a US citizen at birth, then the common answer would be yes, they satisfy NBC.

Minor v. Happersett (1875), a Supreme Court decision, does not agree. And, Ankeny is only a state decision, not binding on the federal courts.

At the very least, as you obviously agree, Obama's eligibility to be POTUS is not answered by release of his birth certificate, even if it is proven to be legitimate.

[GourmetDan]

"So to repeat the question: Why did he spend $2 million to keep it from being made public?"

Didn't his book say that there was supposedly something 'embarrassing' on the BC?

I didn't see anything embarrassing on that document.

[GourmetDan]

"I didn't see anything embarrassing on that document."

I take that back.

Signed by Local Registrar U K L Lee? In Hawaii?

"I don't care who ya are, that's funny right there"

[old curmudgeon]

Didn’t his book say that there was supposedly something ‘embarrassing’ on the BC?

I didn’t see anything embarrassing on that document.

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Exactly.

It appears to be perfect.

So why spend $2 million to prevent it from being presented to a court?

I could make a guess, but then I would be accused of wearing a tin foil hat so I will just ask the question again: Why was it worth $2 million to keep it from being presented to a court?

And as for all of those who keep saying that it matters not, I would point out that if it proves not to be authentic then the next question will be who arranged for all of the paper trail to disappear and who arranged for obummer to go to the best universities and then arranged for all of the university records to disappear?

Who arranged for a guy to become the president whose only talent is to read from a teleprompter and to burn millions of gallons of jet A in record short time?

I think those questions are interesting and I have no preconceived ideas about who that might be.

[CitizenUSA]

And who really cares about what kind of student President Obama was. Other than for curiousity’s sake, what good would it do to see them? All of this is white noise, when what we should be concerned about it holding him to his Marxist record and wrecking ball style of governance. Anyone who tries to run against the president on his years prior to becoming president is an idiot. Those years are largely irrelevant at this point, because the American people voted for him regardless of what they knew or didn’t know. Again, what’s important is what he’s done as president, and his list of presidential foul ups is very long indeed!

[WOSG]

“The birth certificate appears to be perfect. Right on the money.”

“So why did he spend approximately two million dollars on lawyers to keep from presenting it to the public?”

He spent 2 million dollars on contesting lawsuits. Those lawsuits challenged him on multiple grounds, not just the BC, so releasing the long form BC wouldnt have changed that. He released his COLB in 2008 and claimed that was sufficient.

I have felt ALL ALONG that the Obama campaign feels that it BENEFITS from the birther issue, as a way to marginalize and divide his opposition on a ‘distraction’. So another answer to ‘why so long?’ is that Obama camp never had to do it.
Also, it was clear the real reason the Obama camp did what they did finally was that the ‘doubts’ were getting out of control, and Trump was starting to raise the real issues about Obama’s past, like Rezko, lack of college transcripts, etc.

I am thankful Trump brought this issue to a head, and it helped clear the decks for 2012 so that we dont get an ‘October surprise’ long-form BC. Obama’s real record is the real issue for 2012.

We need to acknowledge that Obama was born in Honolulu and go after Obama on those other, real issues that are reason enough to say to Obama - as Trump would put it - YOU’RE FIRED.

[WOSG]

“Minor v. Happersett (1875)” doesn’t agree nor disagree on this point. It never states that somebody born in the US to parents only one of whom is a US citizen is NOT a natural-born citizen. Ankeny quotes from Minor along the way to stating that if Obama is born in the USA he’s a natural-born citizen.

[Texas Fossil]

OK you are right I did not see the Dr.’s signature.

I am still trying to get a handle on the type of document we are looking at.

It has been handled with Adobe Creative Suite 2 in the preparation. It has some portions that look like original signatures, but other portions of the document are background that could have only been added later. This is not simply a typed form document scanned and then printed on security paper.

I am puzzled as to why they did not simply scan the original document and print it out. Something must be missing, or he would not have gone to all the trouble over the past 2 years over this issue.

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I looked at your bio and appreciate the #1 book choice you made. I also have a copy from soon after he wrote it. Very bright mind.

[WOSG]

It’s not my job to convince people who refuse to look objectively at evidence and listen to reason. Frankly, it’s their problem not mine, if they (or you) are unconvinced by multiple layers and sources of evidence, their (your) loss.

I’m just saying to stop drinking the birther koolaid is all.

It’s very easy to believe just about anything you want if you pretend there is a massive conspiracy afoot to twist reality. This conspiracy must now extend to Obama’s lawyer, who supposedly went to Hawaii, did the paperwork, got the true copy of the long form BC, and got state officials to sign off on it. We even have a new Hawaii DOH supervisor who took over from Dr Fukino, Named Loretta Fuddy. Ohhhh, the conspiracy widens!

“The fact remains that you still have alleged 1961 typing and writing on a fake, green 21st Century background.”

I hate to be this blunt, but you are making a fool of yourself. crying ‘fake’ over something that has ‘modern’ elements, when in fact this is a modern copy, made this Monday, of the long form BC information, dated and signed by Hawaii’s DOH Registrar. So of COURSE it will have the doctor’s signature, Mom’s signature, and all the long-form BC information, in direct and true copy, on the modern green tatch that they use for their official documents. Check the attestation date on the Nordyke long form BC, same story.

What Obama requested was “two certified copies of the long-form Birth Certificate” what the Hawaii DOH delivered according to Loretta Fuddy was “two certified copies of the Certificate of Live Birth”. This was generated on April 25, signed by Alvin Onaka, PhD, and given via Obama’s lawyer to the White House. See below correspondence.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf

http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/6760xkzxogxv6j3/images/1-df112f5b89.jpg

If you want to believe in any way shape or form there is a possibility that this is anything other than a true legal document from the state of Hawaii, then you’re a Birther.

“I am not a Birther”
Could have fooled me.
If you are not a birther, where was Obama born, then?

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Of course not. It still uses the word African as the father's ethnic background. And as one reads postings at this site, it must have been quickly Photoshopped without giving thought to people carefully examining it, such as the multi-layers that should not be. The media will not go into it as usual. They must protect him at all costs. “

I dont believe FNC would protect him, FNC is basically the Republican News channel (with some conservative hosts) and they beat on Obama endlessly over the economy and Obama-care and ACORN and other things that brought him down in the polls.

Glenn Beck started tonight with the BC, then pointed out how Bernke was on TV today , who with Obama is destroying out country(economy), that food and energy prices are skyrocketing, he is destabilizing the middle East, and then Beck asked why the national conversation is the BC instead of our nation going off the cliff, which was NOT being 'gone into'.

[WOSG]

“I am still trying to get a handle on the type of document we are looking at.”

Good question. I just wrote my own summary on this. What we have precisely, as described by Hawaii DOH is: “certified copies of the Certificate of Live Birth”

“I am puzzled as to why they did not simply scan the original document and print it out. “

That looks like what was done. the original BC is on file in digital form, and they printed it out into the modern green thatch form used for their requests. What was added of course was the registrars stamped signature and date on the bottom.

What Obama requested was “two certified copies of the long-form Birth Certificate” what the Hawaii DOH delivered according to Loretta Fuddy was “two certified copies of the Certificate of Live Birth”. This was generated on April 25, signed by Alvin Onaka, PhD, and given via Obama’s lawyer to the White House. See below correspondence.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-correspondence.pdf

http://htmlimg3.scribdassets.com/6760xkzxogxv6j3/images/1-df112f5b89.jpg

[Marine_Uncle]

That's all fine. But Beck and a lot of others should spend some time examining all the stuff that has been documented over the forged COLBs including this latest. So many seem to have forgotten how Blather almost got away with the forgery regarding GWB's fitness for service.
Is this to be fluffed over? All these things should be discussed. If it comes to past that sufficient evidence is accumulated to show the Kenyan is a criminal, then so much the more why the Congress should impeach him and boot him out. They have a constitutional duty to uphold on this issue. I don't think anyone here favors not screaming about how badly this administration has fouled things up.
Keep everything on the line. And as you and so many others have suggested including me. Keep the pressure up on those in Congress that could have some effect at countering the evil doings of the administration on so many issues.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”That's all fine. But Beck and a lot of others should spend some time examining all the stuff that has been documented over the forged COLBs including this latest. So many seem to have forgotten how Blather almost got away with the forgery regarding GWB’s fitness for service ”

From what I seen, Beck is the only one on cable and talk radio that brought out the food packages on a table last fall and predicted they would skyrocket in price this year and why, I was posting predictions of this in early 2009 myself. I posted a video of Becks TV show in late 2009 explaining how the Fed is printing money,a lone voice at the time on cable.

Then again some of his shows I got bored and deleted the rest of the show.

[Texas Fossil]

If the document released is a "long form" birth certificate how do you explain this:

September 26th, 2010 6:13 pm CT

http://www.examiner.com/tea-party-in-dallas/it-s-official-hawaii-refused-to-certify-obama-s-eligibility-2008

Election official Tim Adams was there and has stated for the record that he could not find any trace of Obama’s long form birth certificate nor could he have even stated this fact when asked under the discretion imposed upon him as an election official. Adams was also quoted saying that among state agency officials and other senior election personnel that it was a foregone conclusion that there was indeed no long form birth certificate to confirm that Barack Obama had been born in the USA.

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refusal to certify, O-Con

http://thedailypen.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-con-had-legal-help-from-non-partisan.html

Appearances are worth more than evidence in politics. What is known is that after justifiably filing an official OCON document omitting critical statutorial language which would otherwise certify Obama's candidacy, Schatz had very little to say after the DNC overwrote his authority to oversee the validation of Democrat candidates for the ballot in Hawaii. Schatz legally stated that Obama failed to provide adequate information proving that he was legally qualified to serve as president under the provisions of the U.S. Constitution, which he was legally empowered to do, yet the DNC certified Obama's eligibility thereby claiming that Schatz and the DPH did not have access, nor was ever provided with some, as yet undisclosed, "secret", unverified evidence supporting Obama's eligibility that only the DNC was privileged to possess. The absurdity of this scam is laughable and utterly criminal.

Obama appeared on the Hawaiian ballot in 2008. However, Schatz knew there was no documented evidence confirming Obama's eligibility, yet he allowed the DNC to circumvent his authority, without protest. Then, miraculously, two years later, at the mere age of 37, Schatz is elevated to a position to become the Chief Executive Officer of the home state of the man whose lack of legal qualifications he, along with Pelosi and the DNC, helped to conceal from the American people.

[Texas Fossil]

I am convinced the document is more than a simple scan and print. Here is why, this is data that is within the .pdf document:

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Cs2 cs indicates Adobe Creative Suite 2. (which I have used) Not the latest version.

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The .pdf document was created on a Mac on 4-27-2011 at 12:09:24 Z and it does not indicate the machine name it was created on. I am not sure if the Quartz date signature if from the creation of the file or the printing of the .pdf. But the date was clearly 4-27-2011 not 4-25-2011.

[Marine_Uncle]

Beck is a patriot and cares. Like a small group of other talk show hosts. I’ll give credit where credit is due.

[WOSG]

“I am convinced the document is more than a simple scan and print.”

Yes, it is. The confusion is that there were 2 document productions, first the hardcopy at Hawaii DOH, then the scan by the Obama team:

1) The Hawaii DOH created the document by printing the original BC on the green thatched paper, it was signed via signature block, dated 4-25-2011, then gave it to the lawyer, she took it back to DC, then the White House. that was done 4-25.

2) At the White house, they took the document, put it in a scanner, then using the MAC did a print to PDF of the document. based on your info, it looks like they used a scanner attached to a Mac to get it into form, that they then did a print to PDF by using the Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext. this is a print to PDF tool:

“When using print to pdf (this web page in safari) I get version 1.4, producer Mac OS X 10.5.6 Quartz PDFContext.”
http://hintsforums.macworld.com/archive/index.php/t-98926.html

So ... OF COURSE the PDF creation date is after 4-25! Two days after makes perfect sense, as does the Mac PDF creation artifact.

You also have a “/Cs1” tag in the PDF segment you printed out, so they used Cs1 as well? Nope. these are tags in the PDF 1.7 standard I’d surmise, nothing to do with Creative Suite.