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Agnostic's Dreaded Verdict: Birthers Are (Mainly) Right (Long Article)
IBD Editorials ^ | April 25, 2011 | JOHN F. GASKI

Posted on 04/25/2011 4:34:53 PM PDT by Kaslin

First Of Two Parts

I will give you the unpleasant punch line upfront: There is sufficient evidence to reasonably conclude that Barack Obama is probably not a U.S. citizen, therefore constitutionally ineligible to be president of the United States.

The fact that he has been serving in that office would then be not only the most audacious hoax in world history — at least since the Trojan Horse. It also creates a constitutional crisis of the first magnitude that will take decades to straighten out.

We will now approach this one step at a time to break the news to you gradually.

First, what makes anyone think that Obama is really a citizen of the U.S., natural born or otherwise? What hard evidence is there to rely on?

The evidentiary test for citizenship is a ridiculously low hurdle, and Obama has not been able to surmount it — except to the satisfaction of 50 careless state secretaries of state who certified eligibility to run in the 2008 presidential election, even though the Obama campaign organization did not produce an original birth certificate or any other evidence of citizenship. Typical quality for government work!

Real U.S. citizens are required to demonstrate hard proof of that type all the time for countless purposes, from obtaining a passport to playing Little League baseball, and Obama still cannot find his birth certificate. And now, in a remarkable coincidence, neither can the state government of Hawaii! More on that later.

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KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; ibdeditorials; naturalborncitizen; obama
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To: Uncle Miltie
Since Daddy 0bama was a Kenyan subject of the British Crown, doesn’t that disqualify him from “Natural Born Citizen” status all by itself?

Yes, unless Obozo's real father is someone other than BHO, Sr. My bet is that he is a "real" bastard and that BHO only gave some sense of legitimacy for his mother. There is no evidence that Stanley Ann and BHO, Sr. ever lived together as man and wife in the U.S. If they did it was in Kenya, which I doubt. But for that matter there is precious little evidence of his existence at all.

41 posted on 04/25/2011 6:09:54 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: mojito

SAVE


42 posted on 04/25/2011 6:22:05 PM PDT by Rumplemeyer
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To: Nea Wood
Do we know if the Nordyke family recently requested that birth certificate, or is it the copy they’ve had since 1961?

It appears that the copy of the birth certificate pictured here was issued in 1966.

FReegards!


43 posted on 04/25/2011 6:38:20 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Darwinism is the glue that holds liberalism together)
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To: Texas Fossil

It seems to me if Obama’s father was not Obama he would stand a better chance of being a legit citizen as his mother IS an American...If no one knows who his father is how will you know what nationality they are?


44 posted on 04/25/2011 6:39:16 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Kaslin

IBD is legit. Issue is going mainstream!


45 posted on 04/25/2011 6:46:33 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Kaslin

Deep Satire Alert

Better Satire is found here

46 posted on 04/25/2011 6:47:15 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: glock rocks

Iran-Contra (I was in NM and saw surrogates of the Sandanista there then)

BJ “Bill Clinton” was bought by elder Bush to use AR as a training and staging ground. Mena.

Whitewater was not about land speculation, but money laundering. Lassiter, Seth Ward (retired Rose Law), McDougals, etc. Really corrupt vermin.

That was not tinfoil conspiracy stuff. It happened.

Elder Bush knew BJ Clinton well, before he was in DC.

Interesting read: “Compromised” -Clinton, Bush and the CIA by Terry Reed. ISBN 1-56171-249-3

Reed was a central player and speaks the truth in the book. Disregards some of the accusations on the book cover, some are not true but sold books.

The book is a bit hard to find now, and I have my copy loaned to a friend and probably will never get it back.


47 posted on 04/25/2011 6:47:48 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Nea Wood
The reason I’m curious is because, in my Sunday newspaper last weekend, there was an article stating that no one, not even Obama, could obtain a copy of his long-form birth certificate now because Hawaii’s policy is not to release them.

The Rats in charge of Hawaii state government just recently changed the rules to make it harder for anyone to obtain a true copy of their original birth certificate in the hopes that it would stymie efforts to obtain Obama's real one. The copy that the Nordyke family showed has been out on the web a couple of years and as someone said above the copy is dated 1966.

48 posted on 04/25/2011 6:55:11 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's energy policy: Take unicorn poop and turn it into renewable energy.)
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To: woofie
If no one knows who his father is how will you know what nationality they are?

You won't. He either will not or cannot produce a real BC. My gut tells me there is not one, although it was mentioned in his book (the one Ayers wrote).

I do not believe that Obozo was fathered by BHO, Sr. And I do not believe he was born in the U.S. My suspicion is that he was born in Canada near Seattle. Now if I am right, this brings forward some real interesting questions. We shall see.

49 posted on 04/25/2011 6:56:15 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: CedarDave
The local registrar on the Nordyke birth certificate:

1. It looks like "beatrice something."

2. Anybody know anything about her? Is she still living?

Or, if she has passed away, does she have any relatives or/and friendes who knew about her work in Hawaii? 3. My point is this: If Beatrice signed the Nordyke twins' birth certificate as the local registrar, then it would seem that she probably also signed Obama's birth certificate, because Obama claims that he was born at Kapiolani hospital, the same one where the twins were born a day after Obama was born there.

4. Also, I would think that "Barack Obama" would be such an unusual name in Hawaii way back in August 1961, that maybe Beatrice, the local registrar, would have remembered signing Obama's birth certificate and later told a relative or a friend about the unusual name. Just some food for thought.

50 posted on 04/25/2011 6:56:39 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Kaslin
Sounds like they are covering for the state of Hawaii with a history of letting illegals register as citizens, and Obama being one of the beneficiaries of their corrupt system.
51 posted on 04/25/2011 7:02:29 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Kaslin
Real U.S. citizens are required to demonstrate hard proof of that type all the time for countless purposes, from obtaining a passport to playing Little League baseball, and Obama still cannot find his birth certificate. And now, in a remarkable coincidence, neither can the state government of Hawaii! More on that later.

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Hawaii Little League: Have you noticed that Obama did not play Little League in Hawaii, a state where Little League is very popular?

As many of us know, Obama was a pretty good athlete in Hawaii, one reason that he was a very athlete was that he was a little taller and bigger than other kids his age in Hawaii.

Birth certificate: If Obama was a pretty good athlete, could the reason that Obama did NOT play Little League in Hawaii was that he could not produce a valid long or short form birth certificate? Just a thought.

52 posted on 04/25/2011 7:06:49 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Nea Wood
Here's a link to where they changed the rules:

Update: Breaking from Hawaii: No More Long-Form Birth Certificates!

53 posted on 04/25/2011 7:13:27 PM PDT by CedarDave (Obama's energy policy: Take unicorn poop and turn it into renewable energy.)
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To: Plutarch
The Factcheck COLB is not a laser printed HI DOH document.

100% correct.

See here as well:

http://s1221.photobucket.com/albums/dd476/bluecat6/BC%20Pics/

Map to Factcheck photos

54 posted on 04/25/2011 7:37:54 PM PDT by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: john mirse
Hawaii Little League: Have you noticed that Obama did not play Little League in Hawaii, a state where Little League is very popular?

There is a photo of a young Barry swinging a bat...

...and the hippie Governor recalls:

Abercrombie reportedly said, "I remember him playing in a T-Ball league," when he was roughly five or six years old.

55 posted on 04/25/2011 8:55:18 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Nea Wood
The reason I’m curious is because, in my Sunday newspaper last weekend, there was an article stating that no one, not even Obama, could obtain a copy of his long-form birth certificate now because Hawaii’s policy is not to release them.

A totally specious claim. Hawaii (and every other state) will (must) release a copy of the original BC upon request by a principal.

This particular claim stems from a willful misunderstanding the mainstream media chose to adopt concerning the policy of restricting delivery to principals only (and not just anybody).

56 posted on 04/25/2011 9:41:14 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Kaslin
Then, again, there is the notorious "Certification of Live Birth," a decades-later reproduction of some of the information from an original birth certificate, supposedly. To those who want to believe that this neo-artifact is probative: Think really, really hard. Can you conceive of any way this evidence could be undermined or rebutted, in court or otherwise, as less than convincing?

In a real court, not one of those phoney birther trials? No, I can't. After all, the COLB says, "This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding."

57 posted on 04/25/2011 9:49:21 PM PDT by Kleon
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To: Uncle Miltie
IBD is a serious publication;

Not any more.

an arm of the Wall Street Journal.

Nope. At it's best, it was Bush league version of the WSJ. Sadly, it's becoming more and more the laughing stock of Wall Street. This article is just the latest, desperate attempt to raise readership by dumming down the paper. Now they've been reduced to pandering to crackpot birthers. Very sad.

58 posted on 04/25/2011 10:18:47 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: RegulatorCountry
I don’t subscribe to IBD anymore, and so I can’t check to see if this actually appeared in the print edition. I’m suspecting it’s online only, fodder to drive hits to their site.

Sounds like fodder to destroy IBD's reputation and that of Notre Dame as well. I confess to being a little sad at the first prospect.

59 posted on 04/25/2011 10:55:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Kaslin
Some tidbits and apparent facts suggest, weakly, that the person now known as "Barack Obama" is a natural-born citizen.
The author does not mention how he came to that conclusion.
At this point it's just another opinion.
60 posted on 04/25/2011 11:02:19 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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