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New shipborne navy jet fighter makes waves among analysts (China)
Global Times, China ^ | April 25 2011 | Xu Tianran

Posted on 04/24/2011 7:40:40 PM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

New shipborne navy jet fighter makes waves among analysts

Unofficially dubbed the J-15, the new People's Liberation Army navy's "flying shark" features enlarged folding wings, twin nose wheels and an arresting hook for use on China's first aircraft carrier.

Photo: Courtesy of netizen Zhang Xinliang

By Xu Tianran

Photos of a domestic-made shipborne J-15 heavy fighter were released on Sunday afternoon on Internet defense forums, prompting many military observers to coo about China's aircraft carrier capacity.

"Heavy shipborne fighters will boost the aircraft carrier fleet's air defense capability and enhance the fleet's strike ability," said Lan Yun, editor of the Modern Ships, a Beijing-based magazine following the latest developments in warships and defense equipment.

"They can carry many air-to-air missiles or air-to-surface missiles and other kinds of airborne munitions," Lan told the Global Times. "And they have the benefit of long combat radius."

The fighters are to be stationed onboard the Chinese Varyag aircraft carrier, which is under renovation in Dalian, according to defense media. The giant ship has had radars and electronic warfare equipment installed, the Canada-based Kanwa Daily News reported.

on Sunday's photos of the fighter were taken outside the airfield of the No. 112 Factory of Shenyang Aircraft Industry Corporation, a company of the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC), and were uploaded onto the cjdby.net and fyjs.cn military forums after 1:30 pm on Sunday.

Videos and smaller photos showing the fighter flying over Shenyang had been circulating on the Internet since June. This time the fighter was seen with a standard naval paint scheme, according to photos released on Sunday.

The fighter has distinctive features that enable it to operate on an aircraft carrier, such as folding wings and strengthened landing gear, according to the Chinese Military Aviation (CMA).

Missile launch rails and wide-angle holographic Head Up Display (HUD) clearly indicated that the fighter is equipped with domestic sensors, avionics and weapon systems, the website reported, just like later models of the Shenyang J-11 fighter. The fighter dubbed J-15 is based on a Russian Su-33 in terms of structural configuration, it also said.

The Russian Ria Novosti news quoted a Russian military analyst saying that China's J-15 is inferior to the Russian aircraft.

Lan Yun refuted the claim. "The sensors, avionics and missiles of the Su-33 are already obsolete," Lan said, adding that the Chinese airborne electronics could offer more advanced technologies.

The first prototype J-15 was believed to have made its maiden flight on August 31, 2009, a month before the 60th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic of China, according to the Russian Ria Novosti news.

Lin Zuoming, AVIC general manager, published a poem in the China Aviation News newspaper one day later, celebrating the "breakthrough of scientific research." on Sunday's photos came at about the same time as foreign media quoted a Chinese blogger claiming a Vertical/Short Take-Off and Landing (V/STOL) shipborne fighter for the Varyag is conducting flight tests in the Inner Mongolia Autonomous Region, the US-based Defense News. The foreign reports were dismissed by an AVIC spokesman as pure speculation on April 18.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: aerospace; china; j15; navair; su27
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To: Gene Eric

do a google for “IQ World Map”


41 posted on 04/24/2011 9:26:39 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: buwaya

Come to think of it, yes thanks that is correct.

Thus the “Republic” of China. Thank you.


42 posted on 04/24/2011 9:30:01 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Birther on Board)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You’re exactly right.

I wouldn’t be surprised if 0bama would offer to sell the US Pacific Fleet to the Chinese. I’m serious.


43 posted on 04/24/2011 9:46:09 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Lazamataz
Do not underestimate the Chinese, friend. They are smart, actually smarter than the White Man on an average, MUCH harder working, and they pose a serious threat.

Agreed. People forget that they are experts at reverse engineering. In 2001, they forced down a Navy EP-3E surveillance aircraft, obtaining boatloads of info. Very sad how it appears we're ceding so much ground to them, and not builidng up our own military capabilities to maintain our superiority.

44 posted on 04/24/2011 9:52:22 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: Gene Eric; Lazamataz; Fred Nerks; Beckwith

>> They are smart, actually smarter than the White Man on an average, MUCH harder working,>>>>>>

Actually, history shows Laz to be correct in what he says. If you can take a few hours and read the history of General Claire Chennault’s 1st Amercan Volunteer Group ( Flying Tigers)in the years prior to US entry int WWII, you will see what he says is true in fact. The Chinese are incredibly resourceful, practical,smart and hard working.I is also why they are now the world’s ascendent economic power.You can thank Barrack Obama for putting the last nails in the US coffin.

http://www.456fis.org/GENERAL_CLAIRE_L._CHENNAULT.htm

( see links of the online bibliography in this article)


45 posted on 04/24/2011 9:54:48 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Lazamataz

READ THIS FIRST. THE J-15 IS NOT (I REPEAT, NOT) BASED ON THE SU-33. INSTEAD, IT IS BASED ON THE J-11B (WHICH USES SU-27SK AIRFRAME). THEY ADDED CANARDS TO AN UPGRADED J-11BH, WHICH MAKES THE J-15 LOOK LIKE A SU-33. BUT IT’S ACTUALLY BUILT FROM THE J-11B.

Shown here is a camera-caught Shenyang J-15 “Flying Shark”, the carrier-borne semi-stealth heavy strike fighter to be inducted into the PLA-N for use on China’s first aircraft carrier. It is a next-generation fighter and is extremely advanced, uses stealth technology, and much more.

It’s grey color indicates that it has already entered service.
It is based on the indigenous J-11B, not on the Su-33.

It will serve alongside the twin-engine stealth J-10C (which is also under flight testing)

COMPARABLE AIRCRAFT:
- Eurofighter Typhoon
- Dassault Rafale
- MiG-35
- Su-37

Flight Clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trYUWQvKees


46 posted on 04/24/2011 10:05:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Gene Eric

I’ve worked with engineers from around the world. The best are American and German. Chinese engineers are from an inchoherent culture and have to be watched and guided constantly. You have to double check everything they do and always, always, expect that they will get it wrong.

The best Chinese engineers are from Hong Kong - wonder why? Indian engineers are pretty good too.

But the best engineers I’ve worked with are Americans, period.


47 posted on 04/24/2011 10:15:39 PM PDT by telebob
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It is much the same as when people of the fading European powers mocked America in the late 19th and early 20th centuries; they couldn’t psychologically handle the new reality, so they tried to dismiss it.


48 posted on 04/24/2011 10:26:34 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Vroomfondel; SC Swamp Fox; Fred Hayek; NY Attitude; P3_Acoustic; investigateworld; lowbuck; ...
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49 posted on 04/24/2011 10:35:33 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: Lurker

But don’t you wish you owned a trawler? You could get some amazing videos.


50 posted on 04/24/2011 10:43:18 PM PDT by magslinger (What Would Stephen Decatur Do?)
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To: Captainpaintball

“And their boys and girls are learning Chinese AND English, while mastering math AND science, while our little boys and girls are training to be social workers and rap stars.”

And not very good socialist workers nor rap stars. The greatest blow against the United States has been and still is the progressives take over of our education system. I do not think we will recover.


51 posted on 04/24/2011 11:22:52 PM PDT by fella (... if sinners entice thee, consent thou not. Prov.1:10)
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To: Lazamataz

“Do not underestimate the Chinese, friend. They are smart, actually smarter than the White Man on an average, MUCH harder working, and they pose a serious threat.”

Don’t forget the numbers either.


52 posted on 04/24/2011 11:54:45 PM PDT by enduserindy (Conservative Dead Head)
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To: AmusedBystander

Blame US for our own problems. Coke, GM, Ford, etc have built there what they won’t build here and making plenty of money in the process.

add Boeing to that list...


53 posted on 04/25/2011 3:09:25 AM PDT by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: enduserindy

And, mentioning numbers, don’t forget the surplus of army-age young men.


54 posted on 04/25/2011 3:29:44 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Candor7
It is based on the indigenous J-11B, not on the Su-33.

You're talking semantics here. It's a carrier-capable member of the Su-27 family and is therefore a derivative of a Russian (Soviet) design. From the looks of it, the nose gear and canards are a direct copy of the Su-33 ... reverse engineered from the Su-33(s) that the Russians sold the Chinese not to long ago.

Ok, so the ChiComs have something of a carrier and something of a carrier-capable aircraft - caveat being that a ski jump is needed to launch, which cuts down on max-launch weight and limits warload.

What they DON'T have is any sort of experience in how to actually operate the two. The Russians have had all sorts of problems with the Kuznetzov (Varyag's sister) and the Su-33 - which they've had for nearly 20 years (and had 20 years of "carrier" experience prior to that with the Kiev/Forger VSTOL capability).

This should be seen as China's "Langley" (CV-1). They'll play with it, learn from it and in a generation or two have the ability to field a respectable regional carrier capability. Like what the French have with the De Gaulle.

Oh, and the ChiCom's "stealth" aircraft is the J-20, not the J-10. The J-10 is the Lavi/Eurofighter analog that they now have in limited operational service (it also forms the basis for their flight demonstration team).
55 posted on 04/25/2011 3:51:53 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The only saving grace is that they have a *LOT* of nearby enemies with grudges one way or another arrayed around them - Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan, the Philippines, Australia, Vietnam, and India all come to mind. Believe me, these countries are *very* aware of China’s ascendant military power, and are taking what steps they can to counter it.


56 posted on 04/25/2011 5:20:18 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: buwaya

It would seem to be an easy way to get plans for an aircraft, at least for the airframe, and a lot more profitable than just hanging around the hobby shop.


57 posted on 04/25/2011 5:31:33 AM PDT by jmcenanly ( "We pay a person the compliment of acknowledging his superiority whenever we lie to him." -Samuel)
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To: apillar
Never accuse the Chinese, or the Japanese of "retro-engineering." They will only claim that that "were working on it," they would have "thought of it themselves," and the ultimate gem of oriental engineering philosophy: "Is Obvious."

In all fairness to the Japanese, they tend to eventually improve what they steal, re-investing at least some small portion of the initial R&D funding they saved. Words no oriental engineer can say,"Amelican Patent." Genetic vocal chord problem.

58 posted on 04/25/2011 6:27:20 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: dusttoyou
Will be a hoot to watch these copycats try to learn carrier landing.

Vectored thrust and a deck made of Swedish Memory foam. Like dropping a baby in a crib.

59 posted on 04/25/2011 6:32:31 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (Qadafi and Obama share a common advantage. No organized opposition.)
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To: Candor7

That’s what I was going to say - Sukhoi 27. That slight cantilever and the little wings under the cockpit (sorry not an aviation guy) give it away.

The Russians are just upgrading China’s strategic capabilites, the overt PR military beginnings of their cooperative “one clenched fist” strategy. IMO.


60 posted on 04/25/2011 7:08:16 AM PDT by kulthur
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