Obama Senior celebrated life fully but died miserable

(Nairobi, Kenya) Daily Nation ^ | April 23, 2011 | Joe Khamisi

[Tennessee Nana]

Why did she need a divorce?
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She wanted to marry Lolo Soetoro a Moslem who would have demanded a chaste wife

for his own ego and for his position in his religion and country....job, government position etc

She had a bastard child and no former husband...dead or divorced...

I dont know what she used for a “marriage certificate”
but the “divorce” seems to have been a set up...calculated for a purpose...

Pretence etc to make the family appear nice and Barry’s birth legitimate...

those Moslems in Indonessia would not have wanted a loose moraled white American female in their midst...

Witness how pious Stan Ann dressed and acted in the photos...so chaste so gentile so refined such a lady...butter wouldnt melt in her mouth...

such a phony...

in the case of the “knock and nail” or whatever it was called...

Did Obama even live there at that address or was he even home for those 10 days ???

Was he contacted and paid to go along with the scam ???

The Post Office mailman or whomever would knock on the door at the address given,

if there was no answer the divorce papers were nailed to the door

the postman took them back off the deoor 10 days later signed or not...

Just because Obama didnt sign a psuedo divorce deecree doesnt mean he lived there and refused to sign...

He may have been out of town or did not live there...

He never came to see his “son” not provided for him nor wrote asking about him...

Whatever address Stan Ann Dunham used for her so called “husband” may have been incorrect...

How would she know his address anyway after years apart ???

Obama was busy with Ruth his next white concubine at that time...

I doubt if Ruth would have known about Stan Ann...

and he wouldnt have been in contact with a white American woman or her bastard child in Hawaii..

After he returned to his native Kenya Ruth joined him and became another one of his polygamous “wives” and gave him bastard children also like Stan Ann Dunham did...

so many questions so few ways of finding out...

[Seizethecarp]

“The bottom line is that it is well known that the East West Center was a CIA cover.”

I doubt that because it was illegal for the CIA to conduct ANY operations in the USA which was the exclusive jurisdiction of the jealous Hoover's FBI which was responsible for domestic counterintelligence.

Yes, university professors did funnel promising CIA recruits to the agency, but they had to have absolutely NO communist connections and had to have a hard skill that the CIA could use such as a linguistic or technical skill.

Stanley Ann Dunham had no such skills and she was married to a Marxist who gave speeches to Communist front groups and was an associate of FM Davis either personally or through her father.

There was a huge scandal in the late 1950’s over sloppy recruiting in the OSS , the CIA predecessor agency which allowed the Soviet KGB to extensively infiltrate US intelligence and the State Dept. (see Jane Foster, Julia Child's buddy who turned out to be a commie).

Hoover busted the OSS and the CIA anti-communist hysteria (totally justified, IMO) was in full swing and would have precluded any recruiting of Stanley Ann.

On the other hand, if you flip it around, Stanley Ann was a perfect potential recruit for the KGB! She ends up working in the US Embassy palling around with ex-pats, CIA and diplomats as a harmless, eccentric, obese American...a perfect spy!

[RummyChick]

“I doubt that because it was illegal for the CIA to conduct ANY operations in the USA which was the exclusive jurisdiction of the jealous Hoover’s FBI which was responsible for domestic counterintelligence.”

This statement shows that you aren’t very well versed in the activities of the CIA.

Do some research on the East West Center. REAL research.

Start with the man named Scotten and the Phoenix project.

You can start here
http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?_SCOTTON_FRANK_W

And you might want to talk to some former Spooks about the CIA if you actually believe the statement that you made.

Of course,maybe you don’t really believe there was ever a Phoenix program, too.

There was.

Or maybe you should start with the CIA’s Family Jewels.

You got a lot of reading to do if you want to continue to pretend the CIA never operated in the US.

[RummyChick]

Let me add one more thing for people who don’t have an understanding of the CIA.

Scotton was a big player in the Vietnam era.

The CIA defector’s program used the Agency for International Development for cover.

Yes, the same organization that Ann was involved with. What cover where they providing Ann with..who knows.

But don’t tell me it isn’t plausible that Ann was involved with the Spooks.

Anyone who knows much about the CIA should be able to recognize the signs.

And the Russians sure couldn’t cause Obama’s records to go down a black hole.

[RummyChick]

Here is something for people that think the CIA has clean hands and couldn’t possibly ever have operated in the US.

There is plenty of evidence to suggest otherwise.

But to loop this around to Indonesia...

Douglas Valentine’s research is available at the NSA Archive reading Room.

There was an Operation Phoenix.There is no doubt about that.

Scotton said that the East West Center was a CIA training ground.

Scotton was involved with Operation Phoenix.

Was the My Lai massacre part of Operation Phoenix?

People differ on this. One could make a case for it. Douglas Valentine thinks it was part of the Operation.

The CIA was involved in overthrowing Sukarno. They backed Suharto. Did the CIA/US get involved in the massacre in East Timor????

Possible. I think probable.
http://www.johnpilger.com/articles/we-helped-them-descend-into-hell

What was the role of the USAID???? The agency Ann was involved ???

Don’t know. Perhaps nothing.

But Indonesia was a hotbed of CIA activity. So was the USAID.

It is naive to think Ann couldn’t have possibly been involved with the Spooks, given the surrounding information as it relates to the East West Center, Indonesia, the CIA.

Read Lolo’s file again keeping in mind East West was a training ground for operatives.

A picture should start to form.

I think it is quite possible that Ann helped target people to kill. Farfetched?? No. The reality??? Just a guess. The timing of her entry back into Indonesia was not a coincidence ..just like the one of Lolo going back to Indonesia in 1965.

Did the AAA make an agreement with the CIA as David Price claims or did the American Anthropological Association condemn the CIA using the Anthropologists - or both.

Do the research and you decide.

And where do we stand now. Much of what was done in Indonesia was because of Sukarno’s ties to China.
Incredible that a few decades later the IMF is warning about America no longer being the America we thought it was and China taking over the world.

[Seizethecarp]

I hold the CIA in the same high regard as I regard our military as being patriotic Americans making great sacrifices for the USA at the risk of their own lives.

While certain presidents may have abused the CIA as they abuse the military, I don’t take kindly to claims mostly generated by enemies of the United States, foreign and domestic, that the Phoenix program was an illegal use of presidential war powers or that the CIA is stupid enough to recruit people with obvious Communist affiliations, like Stanley Ann.

The Phoenix Program was conducted within Vietnam, NOT the US. It was not a domestic CIA intelligence operation. Do you have any links specifically documenting that Phoenix was a domestic US operation?

I see no indication that Frank W. Scotton was involved in CIA intelligence activities targeting persons within the US. During the Cold War programs against foreign agents within the US would, of course, be counterintelligence and would be the responsibility of Hoover’s FBI.

I see a lot of poorly sourced speculation spread around on the internet regarding links between the East-West Center and the CIA, including a detailed piece by FR-banned Wayne Madsen, , but nothing solid:

The Story of Obama: All in The Company (In Three Parts)

Wayne Madsen
Wayne Madsen Report
August 18, 2010

Have you got anything with any documentary evidence showing
any connection between the East-West Center and the CIA?

Madsden makes the claim that Mboya was a CIA asset, a claim I find credible, but as we have found out, BHO Sr. was not sponsored initially by Madsden and at Hawii he became affiliated with KGB controlled front groups.

On his return to Kenya in 1964, Obama published a Marxist wealth redistribution paper and challenged Mboya’s economic program for which Obama was sacked.

I find it very suspicious that Obama was the last person seen with Mboya before Mboya was killed by an assassin. Often when a “hit” is conducted the killer is brought in from elsewhere and is untraceable to the folks planning the hit but someone who knows the target is needed to conclusively identify the target to the killer. The job of identifying Mboya, who was anti-Soviet and Pro-West, may have fallen to Obama.

[RummyChick]

Doug Valentine’s research is in the NSA Archive Reading Room.

Go visit it and do your research.

I look for the original source of info.

Not Wayne Madsen’s site.

And if you know ANYTHING about the CIA..then you know they operated in the US.

Start with the CIA Family Jewels.

You might want to start with the cut out man getting involved with the Mafia in the plot to kill Castro. You know the infamous cut out man - involved with many incidents related to the CIA.

PS. I am sure you know the CIA had NO GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARIES UNDER BUSH.

Think they operated in the US???

Have you bothered to read the info RELEASED BY THE CIA????

How could you read that and pretend the CIA didn’t operate in the US (INCLUDING EXPERIMENTATION) is beyond me..and it calls into question your agenda

[RummyChick]

Now that you admit there was an Operation Phoenix...are you going to try to claim Scotten wasn’t part of it?

Operation Phoenix was basically an assasination program.

So take a good look

http://www.namebase.org/main2/Frank-W-Scotton.html

How are you going to claim Scotton didn’t have anything to do with the CIA?

Are you going to go as far as to say Scotton lied to Valentine when he said the East West Center was a training ground for the CIA???

Are you going to claim that all the people that have indicated that the CIA used MANY COVERS..including the agency Ann was involved with are all mistaken./

I really don’t care what you believe but don’t come on here lauding the CIA and pretending they haven’t been involved in some real atrocities.

Ford’s comment about the CIA was very interesting. Of course, a spin got put on it. But after the release of the CIA family jewels..I think Ford let the truth slip.

[RummyChick]

Are you willing to admit Operation Chaos (and no, I don’t mean the one by Rush) was very real.

You have heard of Robert Gates- the former director of the CIA????

Think he was lying in his book about Colby disclosing Operation Chaos??? Or that Colby was lying????

I have plenty of information that says you are flat out wrong about the CIA never operating domestically.

BUT START WITH THESE TWO WORDS

“FAMILY JEWELS”

[RummyChick]

No evidence that Scotton was a CIA operative???

oops, another researcher at the National Security Archive, John Prados, says otherwise.
He says that Scotton was one of Colby’s best men.

So, we have information that does show that the CIA operated domestically. We have info that does say Scotton was a CIA operative. We do have info that says Scotton said East West Center was a training ground for operatives.

FROM SOURCES THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MADSEN.

Yet, some here think there is no possible way that Ann could have been involved with the Spooks.

You can think that..but don’t tell me that the CIA never operated in the US.

[RummyChick]

Well, I wonder if a certain poster is going to claim this is disinformation about Scotton and the CIA.

U.S. Army and the interagency process

The interagency process- Southeast Asia.

A paper submitted during the symposium

MENTIONS SCOTTON.

[RummyChick]

So let’s review ONE MORE TIME..what a valued member of Colby’s CIA team(who was involved with Operation Phoenix) said about the East West Center.

“About the CIA-sponsored East-West Center, Scotton said, “It was a cover for a training program in which Southeast Asians were brought to Hawaii and trained to go back to Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos to create agent nets.””

This is not Wayne Madsen saying this..This is Doug Valentine writing this.

You can choose to think Valentine is lying.

But if you look carefully at the surrounding events- it is entirely plausible. Of course, you have to be able to admit that the CIA was involved in the overthrow of Sukarno and the mess in Vietnam. Apparently, some refuse to admit it.

[RummyChick]

"even the CIA professionals, myself included, were shocked and shamed to learn of the true circumstances around this CIA officer’s suicide, as revealed in the report, following his being administered LSD without his knowledge in 1953 in a joint CIA-Army test program

http://www.frankolsonproject.org/Statements/Colby-Honorable.html

[RummyChick]

"The documents reveal a paranoid web of domestic wiretapping and break-ins, and discuss the failed plot to assassinate Cuban leader Fidel Castro. Most interesting to me, however, was the dearth of reports on some of the most unethical experiments ever conducted by the US government: the mind-control research programme known as MKULTRA, under which LSD and other drugs were given to unwitting subjects, including prison inmates and the patrons of brothels set up by the CIA."

http://www.newscientist.com/blog/shortsharpscience/2007/06/cias-family-jewels-reveal-chilling-past.html

http://cryptome.org/mkultra-0003.htm

c. Advanced testing of MKULTRA materials: It is the firm doctrine in TSD that testing of materials under accepted scientific procedure fails to disclose the full pattern of reactions and attributions that may occur in operational situations. TSD initiated a program for covert testing of materials on unwitting U.S. citizens in 1955.

[LucyT]

Timeline entries related to period of discussion:

. . . . Check out # 120.

Good work, bluecat6. Thanks for your help.

Then,

please read RummyChick's comments all the way to the end of the thread.

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[Brown Deer]

8/4/1982 BHO II turns 21.

and he said that he was only 8 years old when all that happened?

[Seizethecarp]

“I doubt that because it was illegal for the CIA to conduct ANY operations in the USA which was the exclusive jurisdiction of the jealous Hoover’s FBI which was responsible for domestic counterintelligence.”

I made the above statement to you and, as you point out, it was incorrect because I should have left off the first four words to make it say:

"It was illegal for the CIA to conduct ANY operations in the USA which was the exclusive jurisdiction of the jealous Hoover’s FBI which was responsible for domestic counterintelligence."

Due to my ME/CFS disease, large chunks of my memory have disappeared and this is most embarrassing, but I assure you that after having you generously refresh my memory I do now recall that in my CIA reading list materials I read about the Family Jewels, including Project Chaos.

The CIA wanted all recruits in the 1980's, such as myself, to be aware of all of the Church Commission findings in the 1970's and all of the dirt published in books by defectors.

During the 1959-1966 time frame when BHO Sr., SADO and Soetoro were in the US there was no Project Chaos. There were no "Family Jewels" CIA programs conducted on college campuses outside the official CIA charter, from what I am reading. The "violations" began in 1967 and ended in 1971.

Project Chaos, an illegal project according to Congress and subsequent court rulings, was started by Lyndon Johnson in 1967, so neither SADO nor Soetoro, nor BHO Sr. could have been involved with Project Chaos.

The only other two CIA illegal domestic activities involving college campuses and student on the Family Jewels list were also started only in 1967.

What was going on in the 1950's and 1960's on college campuses and with Soviet and Marxist influenced groups was the FBI's COINTELPRO program, and I see if as likely that Obama Sr. and Soetoro might have been targets of that program, but they never would have recruited SADO, who was the wife of a known Marxist affiliated with KGB front groups.

[sheik yerbouty]

0bama Sr. was his father. His father was largely absent, so he was reared by Frank Marshall Davis..

[Absolutely Nobama]

Every communist cell (RAF, Red Army, PFLP) had a document forger. (The best was Carlos the Jackal’s wife, Magdalena Kopp.)

Wouldn’t doubt it...

[Seizethecarp]

Operation Phoenix, Chaos, Valentine and Colby and whatever might have been goin on at the East-West Center under Colby was long after SADO and Soetoro left Hawaii by 1966.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Colby

“William Egan Colby (January 4, 1920 – April 27, 1996) spent a career in intelligence for the United States, culminating in holding the post of Director of Central Intelligence (DCI) from September 1973, to January 1976.”